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  1. #1
    Sabo, Eric Guest

    Windows 2008 quorum Question

    In a couple of months we will be implementing a two-node windows 2008 file
    cluster. Do you still need to have a shared cluster quorum or can I just
    have local quorums on both nodes and not have the shared cluster quorum.

    Thanks in advance,
    Eric Sabo


  2. #2
    John Toner [MVP] Guest

    Re: Windows 2008 quorum Question

    The "Local quorum" option has been removed from 2008. In 2008, you have the
    following choices:

    - Node Majority (MNS)...not recommend for a 2 node cluster

    - Node and Disk Majority...will be default quorum model if shared storage is
    present

    - Node and File Share Majority (FSW)...recommend if you don't want to use a
    disk for quorum

    - No Majority (disk only...same as 2003 default model)...not recommended.

    More details can be found in the following webcast:

    Deep Dive on Failover Clustering in Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Storage
    and Understanding Quorum

    On-demand webcast - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8213972
    PowerPoint presentation - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=7933798

    Regards,
    John

    Visit my blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jtoner

    "Sabo, Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In a couple of months we will be implementing a two-node windows 2008 file
    > cluster. Do you still need to have a shared cluster quorum or can I just
    > have local quorums on both nodes and not have the shared cluster quorum.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    > Eric Sabo
    >




  3. #3
    Kenny Speer Guest

    Re: Windows 2008 quorum Question

    In other words, you can use a quorum but it is not required for proper
    operation of the cluster. In 2003, loss of the quorum would take the
    cluster down, in 2008, the quorum is just another witness, like a node.

    As John suggested, read up on 2008 Failover Cluster.

    John Toner [MVP] wrote:
    > The "Local quorum" option has been removed from 2008. In 2008, you have the
    > following choices:
    >
    > - Node Majority (MNS)...not recommend for a 2 node cluster
    >
    > - Node and Disk Majority...will be default quorum model if shared storage is
    > present
    >
    > - Node and File Share Majority (FSW)...recommend if you don't want to use a
    > disk for quorum
    >
    > - No Majority (disk only...same as 2003 default model)...not recommended.
    >
    > More details can be found in the following webcast:
    >
    > Deep Dive on Failover Clustering in Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Storage
    > and Understanding Quorum
    >
    > On-demand webcast - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8213972
    > PowerPoint presentation - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=7933798
    >
    > Regards,
    > John
    >
    > Visit my blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jtoner
    >
    > "Sabo, Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> In a couple of months we will be implementing a two-node windows 2008 file
    >> cluster. Do you still need to have a shared cluster quorum or can I just
    >> have local quorums on both nodes and not have the shared cluster quorum.
    >>
    >> Thanks in advance,
    >> Eric Sabo
    >>

    >
    >


  4. #4
    Ryan Sokolowski [MVP] Guest

    Re: Windows 2008 quorum Question

    This link has the core Windows Server 2008 Failover Clustering document
    links:
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

    Of particular note here (for your Quorum inquiry) is the Windows Server 2008
    Failover Clustering Architecture Overview:
    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...20Overview.doc

    --

    Ryan Sokolowski
    MVP - Clustering
    MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP


    "John Toner [MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The "Local quorum" option has been removed from 2008. In 2008, you have
    > the
    > following choices:
    >
    > - Node Majority (MNS)...not recommend for a 2 node cluster
    >
    > - Node and Disk Majority...will be default quorum model if shared storage
    > is
    > present
    >
    > - Node and File Share Majority (FSW)...recommend if you don't want to use
    > a
    > disk for quorum
    >
    > - No Majority (disk only...same as 2003 default model)...not recommended.
    >
    > More details can be found in the following webcast:
    >
    > Deep Dive on Failover Clustering in Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Storage
    > and Understanding Quorum
    >
    > On-demand webcast - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8213972
    > PowerPoint presentation - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=7933798
    >
    > Regards,
    > John
    >
    > Visit my blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jtoner
    >
    > "Sabo, Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> In a couple of months we will be implementing a two-node windows 2008
    >> file
    >> cluster. Do you still need to have a shared cluster quorum or can I
    >> just
    >> have local quorums on both nodes and not have the shared cluster quorum.
    >>
    >> Thanks in advance,
    >> Eric Sabo
    >>

    >
    >



  5. #5
    Sabo, Eric Guest

    Re: Windows 2008 quorum Question

    From what I read setting up a Windows 2008 is pretty much straight forward.

    The wizard will detect what we need to do, is this correct? It is suppose
    to take the guess work out.

    "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > This link has the core Windows Server 2008 Failover Clustering document
    > links:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
    >
    > Of particular note here (for your Quorum inquiry) is the Windows Server
    > 2008 Failover Clustering Architecture Overview:
    > http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...20Overview.doc
    >
    > --
    >
    > Ryan Sokolowski
    > MVP - Clustering
    > MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
    >
    >
    > "John Toner [MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> The "Local quorum" option has been removed from 2008. In 2008, you have
    >> the
    >> following choices:
    >>
    >> - Node Majority (MNS)...not recommend for a 2 node cluster
    >>
    >> - Node and Disk Majority...will be default quorum model if shared storage
    >> is
    >> present
    >>
    >> - Node and File Share Majority (FSW)...recommend if you don't want to use
    >> a
    >> disk for quorum
    >>
    >> - No Majority (disk only...same as 2003 default model)...not recommended.
    >>
    >> More details can be found in the following webcast:
    >>
    >> Deep Dive on Failover Clustering in Windows Server 2008 Enterprise
    >> Storage
    >> and Understanding Quorum
    >>
    >> On-demand webcast - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8213972
    >> PowerPoint presentation - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=7933798
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >> John
    >>
    >> Visit my blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jtoner
    >>
    >> "Sabo, Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> In a couple of months we will be implementing a two-node windows 2008
    >>> file
    >>> cluster. Do you still need to have a shared cluster quorum or can I
    >>> just
    >>> have local quorums on both nodes and not have the shared cluster quorum.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks in advance,
    >>> Eric Sabo
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >



  6. #6
    John Toner [MVP] Guest

    Re: Windows 2008 quorum Question

    Well, the wizard pretty much only picks "Node Majority" or "Node & Disk
    Majority" depending upon the number of nodes presented to the cluster. If
    you build a 2-node cluster with no shared storage, it will still choose Node
    Majority even though it recommends against this quorum model.

    If you want to use "Node and File Share Majority" or "No Majority", you
    would need to manually choose these options after setting up the cluster.

    Regards,
    John

    Visit my blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jtoner

    "Sabo, Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > From what I read setting up a Windows 2008 is pretty much straight

    forward.
    >
    > The wizard will detect what we need to do, is this correct? It is

    suppose
    > to take the guess work out.
    >
    > "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > This link has the core Windows Server 2008 Failover Clustering document
    > > links:
    > >

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
    > >
    > > Of particular note here (for your Quorum inquiry) is the Windows Server
    > > 2008 Failover Clustering Architecture Overview:
    > >

    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...20Overview.doc
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > Ryan Sokolowski
    > > MVP - Clustering
    > > MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
    > >
    > >
    > > "John Toner [MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> The "Local quorum" option has been removed from 2008. In 2008, you have
    > >> the
    > >> following choices:
    > >>
    > >> - Node Majority (MNS)...not recommend for a 2 node cluster
    > >>
    > >> - Node and Disk Majority...will be default quorum model if shared

    storage
    > >> is
    > >> present
    > >>
    > >> - Node and File Share Majority (FSW)...recommend if you don't want to

    use
    > >> a
    > >> disk for quorum
    > >>
    > >> - No Majority (disk only...same as 2003 default model)...not

    recommended.
    > >>
    > >> More details can be found in the following webcast:
    > >>
    > >> Deep Dive on Failover Clustering in Windows Server 2008 Enterprise
    > >> Storage
    > >> and Understanding Quorum
    > >>
    > >> On-demand webcast - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=8213972
    > >> PowerPoint presentation - http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=7933798
    > >>
    > >> Regards,
    > >> John
    > >>
    > >> Visit my blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jtoner
    > >>
    > >> "Sabo, Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >>> In a couple of months we will be implementing a two-node windows 2008
    > >>> file
    > >>> cluster. Do you still need to have a shared cluster quorum or can I
    > >>> just
    > >>> have local quorums on both nodes and not have the shared cluster

    quorum.
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks in advance,
    > >>> Eric Sabo
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>

    > >

    >




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