is k-light realy all that bad?? :sarc: all the computers in my home and
the ones in my mom's class have it and there have never bien any
problems what so ever infact it saves me the trouble of getting all the
codecs needed for all the diff kinds of videos that are put in thoses
pc's. Im not saying your wrong but mayby you just got a bad version or
your system dosent agree with it and you bash it for that. just curious
:cool: even my friends use it and have no problems.
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zach10
*nods head vigorously* Right, you'd need applicable file filters/codecs for
any unsupported new type you want to add extensions to. Thus the entire
reason for WMV/ASF - It Just Works, and you're not bogged down if Gabe or
Vendor Foo disappears. =\ [You're welcome to disagree on whether It Just
Works, I'm just pointing out the reason why WMV needed to exist for Windows
users. If the average user was normally expected to make sense of the
horrible ghoulash of file types that's out there, I would weep for them.
Right now I'll just weep a little that the industry doesn't play well enough
with each other. It's getting way better though.]
Having both the 32bit and 64bit versions on the system might work, really
depends upon the codec and context.
Yes, there's a difference between the piece-meal world you're comparing the
Windows ecosystem to. Typically Windows solutions are provided by vendors,
as opposed to requiring package A, package B, package C, package D, and so
forth to accomplish one goal. I'm not assigning superior merit to either
approach, just pointing out that these are very different worlds, and thus
it's an apples and oranges comparison. [To repeat: I'm neutral here, it's
just simply a weird comparison.]
You probably want to head to doom9 or somesuch other bleeding edge
multimedia forum. I'm not really aware of mainstream solutions for your
concerns, but they'd probably be able to help you scrabble together a
solution.
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Nope, I actually worked indirectly with them to fix their hideous bugs. You
can confirm via their change logs my claims. I firmly believe in
excellence. ONLY their latest release (3.7.5) or newer should be trusted.
Anything else should probably be considered accidental malware. Plus it's
largely pirated, but I'm not making value judgments on that badness, I'm
just pointing out that aspects were simply indefensibly technically
horrible.
Most codec packs either rip off my work or corrupt things that I did. (If
you've played any multimedia on Windows, you have almost assuredly used my
work, as I'm a senior developer at Microsoft who has also contributed to
multimedia at most major corporations.) I'm strangely enough an expert in
this field, and simply am tired of people making false claims about the
sanity of bad bad work. I apologize that someone misled you too. Sometimes
people might not notice the badness: I'm an expert in this field, and am
paid to notice problems. I *like it* when you don't notice problems, but at
the same time if you're in a dodgy state that's going to bite you in the
rear, I need to point that out as soon as possible so it can be fixed.
Most of the top crashes in Vista multimedia are due to bad codec packs.
Heck, in Vista SP1, even after Windows fixed stuff, the K-Lite codec pack
helped cause the number one crash for (at least) FOUR different multimedia
components.
If anybody from the K-Lite codec team would like to rebut my word, they're
welcome to. But all I'm saying is clearly verifiable given about twenty
minutes of time, so there's really no point in even arguing. They had
serious issues, hopefully they're fixed NOW. But on the other hand I just
got done with a system that had K-Lite ... and of course was borked. Oh
well.
It is my dream that all codec packs will one day not be horrible. I have
made an accurate listing of bad codec packs and why they are bad here:
* http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#divx
, which also includes a detailed and accurate explanation of why K-Lite is
bad.
I have not done a technical analysis of the current package and so cannot
speak to it. The above link simply points out the egregiously bad things
codec packs do and doesn't even bother over the "minor" corruptions they
cause. In consultation, I have found *most* multimedia experts to be
repulsed by codec packs. I respect that some may feel a need for them, but
it is definitely a dangerous field, as my link should confirm.
--
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See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"zach10" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> is k-light realy all that bad?? :sarc: all the computers in my home and
> the ones in my mom's class have it and there have never bien any
> problems what so ever infact it saves me the trouble of getting all the
> codecs needed for all the diff kinds of videos that are put in thoses
> pc's. Im not saying your wrong but mayby you just got a bad version or
> your system dosent agree with it and you bash it for that. just curious
> :cool: even my friends use it and have no problems.
>
>
> --
> zach10
Thanks at least if i have a problem ill be sure to to check that first.
and ill be sure to look you up if ever im in a jam, dont meet to many
pll that can give out all that info :p
--
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2 zachd
I'm from Russia. It's not a cause to know English rather badly then American
etc but I know I speak English not very well.
But maybe did I write down that message not very intelligible so I speak
this one badly?
If You can so please correct or ask me again.
I want to decide that problem for ever.
Thanks
I apologize. I do not understand the current problem that you are trying to
solve. Could you please clarify? Thank you! =)
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"veranyon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>2 zachd
>
> I'm from Russia. It's not a cause to know English rather badly then
> American
> etc but I know I speak English not very well.
> But maybe did I write down that message not very intelligible so I speak
> this one badly?
> If You can so please correct or ask me again.
> I want to decide that problem for ever.
>
> Thanks
"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> I apologize. I do not understand the current problem that you are trying to
> solve. Could you please clarify? Thank you! =)
>
> --
I wrote it on the previous page. there's last message
i kno i doidnt install the ripper u did, and i dont kno what program cause it, so i uninstalled all the programs that i installed right befor the prob. anyway, i think about a week ago i started getting that message when i wnet to a fold w/ .AVIs in them(such as my collection of anime) when i looked up thing about the message, it i found many people saying the had problems playing .AVIs, vut at the time i didnt have trouble playing them after i updated my codecs(ive used the same codec brand for a long time, so i kno its not the codecs) anyway, yesterday i got a new episode of anime and tried to watch it when i discovered it had an X in a red circle next to the file name in the WMP now playing list, and was only playing the audio, no video!!! frustrated, i tried again, and as i watched the bottom of the screen, it said aquiring codec(usualy does) for longer then it usually does. i decided that maybe the vid. itself had problems, so i tried another .avi that i knew worked, and i had the same problem. so far, every place i've been to only tells me A)how to stop the message, not get it to play .AVIs again, B)That i need to get codecs, ect. to play the format, which i already have, and C) to uninstall some software i never in my live have had on this computer
i don't know why this didn't work the other times i tried, but i guess that the current version of vista codecs has a problem, so i will temporarily use cccp, and it works, just doesn't have all the codecs i need for other videos, so ill keep tabs on if a new vista codec pack is available
I have found a fix for this lol type in search ffdshow.ax then right
click, open file location, cut the file to desktop and try to play .avi
files and it should work it happened to me and this worked so give it a
shot?
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prestage
i am having pretty much the same problems as jason, and i do not have the
k-lite codec pack. i have had this problem since a friend of mine downloaded
a dvd ripper/converter onto my computer. i have uninstalled all of this, but
the problem still persists. how do i fix it? can someone answer that?
"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> K-Lite is generally garbage. If this is all you're seeing, I'd consider you
> somewhat lucky.
>
> What's in that ffdshow directory? What files in total are under those
> directories? They do some pretty stupid things, so it'd be good to have a
> vague understanding of what they've done to your system.
>
> Please don't use K-Lite. I have trouble keeping up with exactly what
> horribleness that they're currently doing, but it's got a pretty pathetic
> history of breaking systems. Nobody competent should ever be recommending
> them. If you need a codec, get that specific codec direct from the vendor
> to ensure that you get the latest most stable most secure version. Codec
> packs are generally absolute garbage that throw in the kitchen sink as well
> as random other incompetent garbage and badness.
>
> It is a real challenge to keep with exactly what each codec pack is doing
> badly on any given data. There is NO safe codec pack that I'm aware of.
> Even the "safe" ones manage to screw it up. Totally utterly not worth the
> cost to users.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
>
> "Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > There are no Nero apps installed.
> >
> > I"m not sure what ffdshow is, but I have the K-Lite codec pack
> > installed and there's an ffdshow directory underneath Program
> > Files\K-Lite. Is this what you're talking about?
> >
> > Oh, and I've reported the errors :)
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:09:25 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>That's marked as Not Reported - you should report these back. I generally
> >>try to make sure that most non-generic crashes relate back to the
> >>appropriate solutions. This particular crash is a little generic, but is
> >>most commonly due to ffdshow.ax being on your system. (nevideo.ax can
> >>also
> >>be a cause of this) Regardless, this should be due to a third party codec
> >>doing bad memory management when AVI thumbnails are being retrieved. Is
> >>FFDShow or Nero on this system?
> >>
> >>You can also fix this by turning off the Thumbnail view, but that's rather
> >>overkill.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Speaking for myself only.
> >>See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> >>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >>rights.
>
>
>
I'm having the COM surrogate problem as well, and i have no codec packs....
"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> Nope, I actually worked indirectly with them to fix their hideous bugs. You
> can confirm via their change logs my claims. I firmly believe in
> excellence. ONLY their latest release (3.7.5) or newer should be trusted.
> Anything else should probably be considered accidental malware. Plus it's
> largely pirated, but I'm not making value judgments on that badness, I'm
> just pointing out that aspects were simply indefensibly technically
> horrible.
>
> Most codec packs either rip off my work or corrupt things that I did. (If
> you've played any multimedia on Windows, you have almost assuredly used my
> work, as I'm a senior developer at Microsoft who has also contributed to
> multimedia at most major corporations.) I'm strangely enough an expert in
> this field, and simply am tired of people making false claims about the
> sanity of bad bad work. I apologize that someone misled you too. Sometimes
> people might not notice the badness: I'm an expert in this field, and am
> paid to notice problems. I *like it* when you don't notice problems, but at
> the same time if you're in a dodgy state that's going to bite you in the
> rear, I need to point that out as soon as possible so it can be fixed.
>
> Most of the top crashes in Vista multimedia are due to bad codec packs.
> Heck, in Vista SP1, even after Windows fixed stuff, the K-Lite codec pack
> helped cause the number one crash for (at least) FOUR different multimedia
> components.
>
> If anybody from the K-Lite codec team would like to rebut my word, they're
> welcome to. But all I'm saying is clearly verifiable given about twenty
> minutes of time, so there's really no point in even arguing. They had
> serious issues, hopefully they're fixed NOW. But on the other hand I just
> got done with a system that had K-Lite ... and of course was borked. Oh
> well.
>
> It is my dream that all codec packs will one day not be horrible. I have
> made an accurate listing of bad codec packs and why they are bad here:
> * http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#divx
> , which also includes a detailed and accurate explanation of why K-Lite is
> bad.
>
> I have not done a technical analysis of the current package and so cannot
> speak to it. The above link simply points out the egregiously bad things
> codec packs do and doesn't even bother over the "minor" corruptions they
> cause. In consultation, I have found *most* multimedia experts to be
> repulsed by codec packs. I respect that some may feel a need for them, but
> it is definitely a dangerous field, as my link should confirm.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
> "zach10" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > is k-light realy all that bad?? :sarc: all the computers in my home and
> > the ones in my mom's class have it and there have never bien any
> > problems what so ever infact it saves me the trouble of getting all the
> > codecs needed for all the diff kinds of videos that are put in thoses
> > pc's. Im not saying your wrong but mayby you just got a bad version or
> > your system dosent agree with it and you bash it for that. just curious
> > :cool: even my friends use it and have no problems.
> >
> >
> > --
> > zach10
>
>
>
Could you clarify your exact crash details as supplied by the Problem
Reports and Solutions Center control panel:
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
?
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"creash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm having the COM surrogate problem as well, and i have no codec
> packs....
>
> "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>>
>> Nope, I actually worked indirectly with them to fix their hideous bugs.
>> You
>> can confirm via their change logs my claims. I firmly believe in
>> excellence. ONLY their latest release (3.7.5) or newer should be
>> trusted.
>> Anything else should probably be considered accidental malware. Plus
>> it's
>> largely pirated, but I'm not making value judgments on that badness, I'm
>> just pointing out that aspects were simply indefensibly technically
>> horrible.
>>
>> Most codec packs either rip off my work or corrupt things that I did.
>> (If
>> you've played any multimedia on Windows, you have almost assuredly used
>> my
>> work, as I'm a senior developer at Microsoft who has also contributed to
>> multimedia at most major corporations.) I'm strangely enough an expert
>> in
>> this field, and simply am tired of people making false claims about the
>> sanity of bad bad work. I apologize that someone misled you too.
>> Sometimes
>> people might not notice the badness: I'm an expert in this field, and am
>> paid to notice problems. I *like it* when you don't notice problems, but
>> at
>> the same time if you're in a dodgy state that's going to bite you in the
>> rear, I need to point that out as soon as possible so it can be fixed.
>>
>> Most of the top crashes in Vista multimedia are due to bad codec packs.
>> Heck, in Vista SP1, even after Windows fixed stuff, the K-Lite codec pack
>> helped cause the number one crash for (at least) FOUR different
>> multimedia
>> components.
>>
>> If anybody from the K-Lite codec team would like to rebut my word,
>> they're
>> welcome to. But all I'm saying is clearly verifiable given about twenty
>> minutes of time, so there's really no point in even arguing. They had
>> serious issues, hopefully they're fixed NOW. But on the other hand I
>> just
>> got done with a system that had K-Lite ... and of course was borked. Oh
>> well.
>>
>> It is my dream that all codec packs will one day not be horrible. I have
>> made an accurate listing of bad codec packs and why they are bad here:
>> * http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#divx
>> , which also includes a detailed and accurate explanation of why K-Lite
>> is
>> bad.
>>
>> I have not done a technical analysis of the current package and so cannot
>> speak to it. The above link simply points out the egregiously bad things
>> codec packs do and doesn't even bother over the "minor" corruptions they
>> cause. In consultation, I have found *most* multimedia experts to be
>> repulsed by codec packs. I respect that some may feel a need for them,
>> but
>> it is definitely a dangerous field, as my link should confirm.
>>
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "zach10" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > is k-light realy all that bad?? :sarc: all the computers in my home and
>> > the ones in my mom's class have it and there have never bien any
>> > problems what so ever infact it saves me the trouble of getting all the
>> > codecs needed for all the diff kinds of videos that are put in thoses
>> > pc's. Im not saying your wrong but mayby you just got a bad version or
>> > your system dosent agree with it and you bash it for that. just curious
>> > :cool: even my friends use it and have no problems.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > zach10
>>
>>
>>
I re-installed DivX, and now I'm not having that problem. Now it just plays
the audio on .avi's, but not the video...GRRRRR lol
"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> Could you clarify your exact crash details as supplied by the Problem
> Reports and Solutions Center control panel:
> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
> ?
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
> "creash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm having the COM surrogate problem as well, and i have no codec
> > packs....
> >
> > "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Nope, I actually worked indirectly with them to fix their hideous bugs.
> >> You
> >> can confirm via their change logs my claims. I firmly believe in
> >> excellence. ONLY their latest release (3.7.5) or newer should be
> >> trusted.
> >> Anything else should probably be considered accidental malware. Plus
> >> it's
> >> largely pirated, but I'm not making value judgments on that badness, I'm
> >> just pointing out that aspects were simply indefensibly technically
> >> horrible.
> >>
> >> Most codec packs either rip off my work or corrupt things that I did.
> >> (If
> >> you've played any multimedia on Windows, you have almost assuredly used
> >> my
> >> work, as I'm a senior developer at Microsoft who has also contributed to
> >> multimedia at most major corporations.) I'm strangely enough an expert
> >> in
> >> this field, and simply am tired of people making false claims about the
> >> sanity of bad bad work. I apologize that someone misled you too.
> >> Sometimes
> >> people might not notice the badness: I'm an expert in this field, and am
> >> paid to notice problems. I *like it* when you don't notice problems, but
> >> at
> >> the same time if you're in a dodgy state that's going to bite you in the
> >> rear, I need to point that out as soon as possible so it can be fixed.
> >>
> >> Most of the top crashes in Vista multimedia are due to bad codec packs.
> >> Heck, in Vista SP1, even after Windows fixed stuff, the K-Lite codec pack
> >> helped cause the number one crash for (at least) FOUR different
> >> multimedia
> >> components.
> >>
> >> If anybody from the K-Lite codec team would like to rebut my word,
> >> they're
> >> welcome to. But all I'm saying is clearly verifiable given about twenty
> >> minutes of time, so there's really no point in even arguing. They had
> >> serious issues, hopefully they're fixed NOW. But on the other hand I
> >> just
> >> got done with a system that had K-Lite ... and of course was borked. Oh
> >> well.
> >>
> >> It is my dream that all codec packs will one day not be horrible. I have
> >> made an accurate listing of bad codec packs and why they are bad here:
> >> * http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#divx
> >> , which also includes a detailed and accurate explanation of why K-Lite
> >> is
> >> bad.
> >>
> >> I have not done a technical analysis of the current package and so cannot
> >> speak to it. The above link simply points out the egregiously bad things
> >> codec packs do and doesn't even bother over the "minor" corruptions they
> >> cause. In consultation, I have found *most* multimedia experts to be
> >> repulsed by codec packs. I respect that some may feel a need for them,
> >> but
> >> it is definitely a dangerous field, as my link should confirm.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Speaking for myself only.
> >> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >> --
> >> "zach10" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > is k-light realy all that bad?? :sarc: all the computers in my home and
> >> > the ones in my mom's class have it and there have never bien any
> >> > problems what so ever infact it saves me the trouble of getting all the
> >> > codecs needed for all the diff kinds of videos that are put in thoses
> >> > pc's. Im not saying your wrong but mayby you just got a bad version or
> >> > your system dosent agree with it and you bash it for that. just curious
> >> > :cool: even my friends use it and have no problems.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > zach10
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
I would still love to know that information as that might enable me to help
others.
What video codec does that video file use?
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"creash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I re-installed DivX, and now I'm not having that problem. Now it just plays
> the audio on .avi's, but not the video...GRRRRR lol
>
>
> "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>>
>> Could you clarify your exact crash details as supplied by the Problem
>> Reports and Solutions Center control panel:
>> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
>> ?
>>
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "creash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > I'm having the COM surrogate problem as well, and i have no codec
>> > packs....
>> >
>> > "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Nope, I actually worked indirectly with them to fix their hideous
>> >> bugs.
>> >> You
>> >> can confirm via their change logs my claims. I firmly believe in
>> >> excellence. ONLY their latest release (3.7.5) or newer should be
>> >> trusted.
>> >> Anything else should probably be considered accidental malware. Plus
>> >> it's
>> >> largely pirated, but I'm not making value judgments on that badness,
>> >> I'm
>> >> just pointing out that aspects were simply indefensibly technically
>> >> horrible.
>> >>
>> >> Most codec packs either rip off my work or corrupt things that I did.
>> >> (If
>> >> you've played any multimedia on Windows, you have almost assuredly
>> >> used
>> >> my
>> >> work, as I'm a senior developer at Microsoft who has also contributed
>> >> to
>> >> multimedia at most major corporations.) I'm strangely enough an
>> >> expert
>> >> in
>> >> this field, and simply am tired of people making false claims about
>> >> the
>> >> sanity of bad bad work. I apologize that someone misled you too.
>> >> Sometimes
>> >> people might not notice the badness: I'm an expert in this field, and
>> >> am
>> >> paid to notice problems. I *like it* when you don't notice problems,
>> >> but
>> >> at
>> >> the same time if you're in a dodgy state that's going to bite you in
>> >> the
>> >> rear, I need to point that out as soon as possible so it can be fixed.
>> >>
>> >> Most of the top crashes in Vista multimedia are due to bad codec
>> >> packs.
>> >> Heck, in Vista SP1, even after Windows fixed stuff, the K-Lite codec
>> >> pack
>> >> helped cause the number one crash for (at least) FOUR different
>> >> multimedia
>> >> components.
>> >>
>> >> If anybody from the K-Lite codec team would like to rebut my word,
>> >> they're
>> >> welcome to. But all I'm saying is clearly verifiable given about
>> >> twenty
>> >> minutes of time, so there's really no point in even arguing. They had
>> >> serious issues, hopefully they're fixed NOW. But on the other hand I
>> >> just
>> >> got done with a system that had K-Lite ... and of course was borked.
>> >> Oh
>> >> well.
>> >>
>> >> It is my dream that all codec packs will one day not be horrible. I
>> >> have
>> >> made an accurate listing of bad codec packs and why they are bad here:
>> >> * http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#divx
>> >> , which also includes a detailed and accurate explanation of why
>> >> K-Lite
>> >> is
>> >> bad.
>> >>
>> >> I have not done a technical analysis of the current package and so
>> >> cannot
>> >> speak to it. The above link simply points out the egregiously bad
>> >> things
>> >> codec packs do and doesn't even bother over the "minor" corruptions
>> >> they
>> >> cause. In consultation, I have found *most* multimedia experts to be
>> >> repulsed by codec packs. I respect that some may feel a need for
>> >> them,
>> >> but
>> >> it is definitely a dangerous field, as my link should confirm.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Speaking for myself only.
>> >> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> rights.
>> >> --
>> >> "zach10" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> >
>> >> > is k-light realy all that bad?? :sarc: all the computers in my home
>> >> > and
>> >> > the ones in my mom's class have it and there have never bien any
>> >> > problems what so ever infact it saves me the trouble of getting all
>> >> > the
>> >> > codecs needed for all the diff kinds of videos that are put in
>> >> > thoses
>> >> > pc's. Im not saying your wrong but mayby you just got a bad version
>> >> > or
>> >> > your system dosent agree with it and you bash it for that. just
>> >> > curious
>> >> > :cool: even my friends use it and have no problems.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > zach10
>> >>
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