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  1. #1
    André Dias Guest

    keyboard problem?

    Hi All,

    I'm using a notebook with Windows Vista Home Premium and UK Keyboard. I'd
    like to use the portuguese language as input language, but I didn't get.

    I put Brazilian portuguese as Input Language, UK keyboard. This
    configuration seems Ok, but I can't use accent. I can't write my name for
    example: André (just using copy/paste :-)

    Somebody has any idea??

    Thanks in advance
    Andre (without accent :-(

  2. #2
    Guest

    Re: keyboard problem?

    The difference between national keyboards is what is painted on the key.

    These are keys on an english keyboard set to Port-Braz

    Andr[e

    These are keys on a Port - Braz keyboard set to same.

    Andr'e

    See http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/kbdbr.htm

    The orange thingies, hover over them to see what keys work. Press Shift, Alt Gr, and Shift + Alt Gr to see how to use your keyboard and hover over orang thingies again.

    If you are using an English Keyboard set it to US International (so the keys painted on keyboard match what they do). Then it is same as Port-Braz but the ' symbol is on a different physical key (the [ on a US keyboard).

    Just depends what physical keyboard you have (and maybe you don't care about the keys labels) if you should use US International or Port - Braz.

    From my XP Keyboard Guide
    Entering International Characters [Prev | Next | Contents]
    There is a number of ways of entering international characters and symbols.

    a.. Use Character Map.
    b.. Use Alt + <the character code entered on the numeric keypad>
    c.. Hex to Unicode IME
    d.. Converting Between Decimal and Hexadecimal
    e.. Character Codes
    f.. Use the US International Keyboard
    a.. The Right Alt (Alt Gr) Key
    a.. Dead Keys
    a.. Names of Accents
    g.. Switching Keyboards
    h.. Tips
    Note: If these techniques do not work for your application then you have the wrong keyboard selected (for that character like with arabic in older windows programs) or you have turned off Advanced Text Services. If turned off these techniques will work in Wordpad but may not in Notepad (depends on what exact character you are trying to insert into what program) or will insert the wrong character (depending on which technique being used). Start - Control Panel - Regional And Language Options - Languages - Advanced.

    Run Language Dialog then click Advanced tab. Clear the checkbox Turn Off Advanced Text Services and set the checkbox Extend Support Of Advanced Text Services To All Programs.

    Character Map [Prev | Next | Contents]
    Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - Character Map (or type charmap in Start - Run) and transfer via the clipboard or drag from Character Map into your document.

    Run Character Map

    [Back to International Contents]

    Alt + Character Code [Prev | Next | Contents]
    Holding down alt and pressing the character code on the numeric keypad will enter that character. The keyboard language in use must support entering that character. If your keyboard supports it the code is shown on the right hand side of the status bar in Character Map else this section of the status bar is empty. The status bar us also empty for characters with well known keys, like the letters A to Z.

    However there is two ways of entering codes. The point to remember here that the characters are the same for the first 127 codes. The difference is if the first number typed is a zero of not. If it is then the code will insert the character from the current character set else it will insert a character from the OEM character set. Codes over 255 enter the unicode character and are in decimal. Characters entered are converted to OEM for Dos applications and either ANSI or Unicode depending on the Windows' application. See Converting Between Decimal and Hexadecimal.

    E.G., Alt + 0 then 6 then 5 then release Alt enters the letter A

    [Back to International Contents]

    Hex To Unicode IME [Prev | Next | Contents]
    In programs based on the Rich Edit 3 control, such as Wordpad, enter a unicode number in hexadecimal format into the document then press Alt + X. This will convert the number typed into the unicode character. Select a character and press Alt + X to convert that character into it's unicode number. The code is shown on the left hand side of the status bar in Character Map in the form U + <hexadecimal code>, e.g., U + 0061 for the letter a.

    Selecting letters A to E will result in it being considered a hexadecimal number and it will convert to the unicode characters (which are things like form feed and the enter key).

    Run Wordpad

    [Back to International Contents]

    Converting Between Decimal and Hexadecimal [Prev | Next | Contents]
    To convert hexadecimal to decimal start Windows Calculator (type calc in Start - Run or Start - All Programs - Accessories - Calculator) and choose Scientific from the View menu. Select Hex, enter the number, and click Dec. Hex and Decimal are also on the View menu.

    Run Calculator

    Enter a number to convert



    [Back to International Contents]

    Character Codes [Prev | Next | Contents]
    The first 32 characters of the ANSI and Unicode character set are not used. In Dos they are either special characters or terminal control codes (depending on the program). In Dos pressing the Ctrl + <letter> or Alt + <a character code> may enter them, issue a terminal command (eg Ctrl + M or Alt + 13 is same as the Enter key) command, or accept it as a terminal command (it will appear as ^M for later processing). In some Dos text editors, such as Edit supplied with Windows (type Edit in Start - Run), will enter the character in the document after pressing Ctrl + P then the Ctrl + <a letter> character. Entering them in Windows (eg Alt + 8) will insert the ANSI or Unicode code for that character. Many of these characters are only in the Unicode character set and therefore will only work in recent Windows' programs. See the Introduction for troubleshooting if it doesn't accept the character. Most programs require special settings.

    If a square is inserted it means the font you are using does not have that character in it. Choose a different font (Arial is a good choice).

    If most of the characters below are shown as squares then you have overridden this page's choice of fonts and using a font that doesn't have that character in it as most fonts with windows, and Internet Explorer's default font, don't have these unicode symbols in it.

    Codes 32 to 127 are common among OEM, ANSI, and Unicode (for English). Codes 128 to 255 are common between ANSI and Unicode.

    Some computers may use OEM character set 850. This list here is 850 which is the default unless configured differently by the user.

    To find the OEM code page type in a command prompt mode /status | find "Code page".

    Find out OEM code page

    Run Edit

    [Back to International Contents]

    US International Keyboards [Prev | Next | Contents]
    Install the US International keyboard. Start - Control Panel - Regional And Language Options - Languages - Details - Add. While here review the Key Settings to switch keyboards or turn on the Language Bar (Advanced Text Services must not be disabled).

    Run Language Dialog

    This works in two modes. Right Alt or Shift + Right Alt + another key and also by pressing dead keys (such as accents). On non US Keyboards the Right Alt key is called Alt Gr.

    Right Alt is the same key as Ctrl + Left Alt on the US International keyboards, and on almost all keyboards except the standard US keyboards where left and right keys are treated the same . This is a reason why Ctrl + Alt should not be used to set hotkeys. Also F12 should also not be used for hotkeys as it's reserved for attaching a debugger.

    [Back to International Contents]


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Right Alt (Alt Gr) Keys [Prev | Next | Contents]
    Zoom Table (Normal/Large)

    Key Description
    Right Alt + 1 ¡
    Right Alt + 2 ²
    Right Alt + 3 ³
    Right Alt + 4 ¤
    Right Alt + 5 €
    Right Alt + 6 1/4
    Right Alt + 7 1/2
    Right Alt + 8 3/4
    Right Alt + 9 '
    Right Alt + 0 '
    Right Alt + - ¥
    Right Alt + = ×
    Right Alt + Q ä
    Right Alt + W å
    Right Alt + E é
    Right Alt + R (r)
    Right Alt + T þ
    Right Alt + Y ü
    Right Alt + U ú
    Right Alt + I Ã*
    Right Alt + O ó
    Right Alt + P ö
    Right Alt + [ "
    Right Alt + ] "
    Right Alt + \ ¬
    Right Alt + A á
    Right Alt + S ß
    Right Alt + D ð
    Right Alt + L ø
    Right Alt + ; ¶
    Right Alt + ' ´
    Right Alt + Z æ
    Right Alt + C (c)
    Right Alt + N ñ
    Right Alt + M µ
    Right Alt + , ç
    Right Alt + / ¿
    Shift + Right Alt + 1 ¹
    Shift + Right Alt + 4 £
    Shift + Right Alt + = ÷
    Shift + Right Alt + Q Ä
    Shift + Right Alt + W Ã…
    Shift + Right Alt + E É
    Shift + Right Alt + T Þ
    Shift + Right Alt + Y Ü
    Shift + Right Alt + U Ú
    Shift + Right Alt + I Í
    Shift + Right Alt + O Ó
    Shift + Right Alt + P Ö
    Shift + Right Alt + \ ¦
    Shift + Right Alt + A Á
    Shift + Right Alt + S §
    Shift + Right Alt + D Ð
    Shift + Right Alt + L Ø
    Shift + Right Alt + ; °
    Shift + Right Alt + ' ¨
    Shift + Right Alt + Z Æ
    Shift + Right Alt + C ¢
    Shift + Right Alt + N Ñ
    Shift + Right Alt + , Ç

    [Back to International Contents]


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Dead Keys [Prev | Next | Contents]
    The dead keys are the apostrophe ('), quotation mark ("), accent grave (`), tilde (~), and caret (^). If these are pressed the system waits for the next key. If it is in the list below then it enters the symbol character else it enters both keys separately. These work with uppercase where appropriate. Press Space to insert the dead character.

    See Names of Accents for a list of what the characters are called. This paragraph lists what the keys are called. See Tips for infomation on Microsoft Word.

    Zoom Table (Normal/Large)

    Key Description
    ' then C Ç
    ' then e é
    ' then y ý
    ' then u ú
    ' then i Ã*
    ' then o ó
    ' then a á
    " then e ë
    " then u ü
    " then i ï
    " then o ö
    " then a ä
    ` then e è
    ` then u ù
    ` then i ì
    ` then o ò
    ~ then o õ
    ~ then n ñ
    ^ then e ê
    ^ then u û
    ^ then i î
    ^ then o ô
    ^ then a â

    [Back to International Contents]


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Names of Accents [Prev | Next | Contents]
    Zoom Table (Normal/Large)

    Name Character
    Acute Accent ´
    Breve ˘
    Caron ˇ
    Cedilla ¸
    Circumflex ˆ
    Diæresis / Umlaut ¨
    Dialytika Tonos Î…
    Dot Above Ë™
    Dot Below ̣
    Double Acute Accent ˝
    Grave Accent `
    Hook Above ̉̉
    Macron ˉ
    Ring Above Ëš
    Tilde ˜
    Tonos ΄

    [Back to International Contents]

    Switching Keyboards [Prev | Next | Contents]
    Key Description
    Left Alt + Shift Switches keyboard layout or language (default).
    Control + Shift Switches keyboard layout (default) or language.
    Left Alt + Shift + <a number, tilde (~), or accent grave (`)> Switches to a specific keyboard layout or language (default).
    Control + Shift + <a number, tilde (~), or accent grave (`)> Switches to a specific keyboard layout (default) or language.

    On the advanced tab turn on both Advanced Text Services and Extend Support To All Programs to enable Left Alt + Shift support.

    Keys to switch layouts are set at Start - Control Panel - Regional Options - Languages - Details - Key Settings.

    Run Language Dialog then click Advanced tab or Key Settings button.

    [Back to International Contents]

    Tips [Prev | Next | Contents]
    a.. Like Accessibility there is a trick here with general applicability. Normally Caps Lock is on or off and stays on or off until the key is pressed again. This can be changed to act like a typewriter at Start - Control Panel - Regional And Language Options - Languages - Details - Key Settings and one can select whether another Caps Lock press will turn off Caps Lock or if pressing the Shift key will turn it off like on a typewriter.

    Run Language Dialog then click Key Settings button.

    b.. In Microsoft Word one can press Ctrl + an accent to activate the dead keys. This is available even with a Standard US keyboard.
    [Back to International Contents]

  3. #3
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    Re: keyboard problem?

    I attached the full document the excerpt in the previous post came from to
    this post.

    Also for a list of what keyboards you can view the details of (for those of
    other languages) see
    http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/r...keyboards.mspx

  4. #4
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    english keyboard brazil portuguese - teclado ingles, portuguese do brasil no windows vista

    Ola, acredito ter encontrado a solucao para o problema:

    Configurar a lingua de entrada para "portugues do Brasil"
    Configurar o teclado para "united kingdon extended" se nao tiver o "extended nao funciona"

    As teclas agora funcionam assim:

    ç altGr + C

    * ok no teclado

    á altGr + ' + a

    ê altGr + 6

    ã altGr + #

  5. #5
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    For yr info, companheiro, I had precisely the same problem with a Fujitsu Siemens S6410. As even Fujitsu Siemens technical support could not help me with the solution, I decided to find out on my own. Guess what, Wikipedia gave me the "Caminho das Pedras". Here you got:
    -------------------------------------------------
    UK-Extended Layout
    Microsoft Windows XP SP2 and above provide the UK-Extended layout which behaves exactly the same as the standard UK layout for all the characters it can generate, but can additionally generate a number of diacritical marks. Not all combinations work on all keyboards.

    acute accents (á) on a,e,i,o,u,w,y,A,E,I,O,U,W,Y are generated by pressing the AltGr key together with the letter, or AltGr and apostrophe, followed by the letter (see note below);
    grave accents (*) on a,e,i,o,u,w,y,A,E,I,O,U,W,Y are generated by pressing the backquote (`), then the letter;
    circumflex (â) on a,e,i,o,u,w,y,A,E,I,O,U,W,Y is generated by AltGr and 6, followed by the letter;
    diaeresis (ä)on a,e,i,o,u,w,y,A,E,I,O,U,W,Y is generated by AltGr and 2, then the letter;
    tilde (ã) on a,n,o,A,N,O is generated by AltGr and #, then the letter;
    cedilla (ç) under c,C is generated by AltGr and the letter.
    These combinations are designed to be easy to remember, as the circumflex accent is similar to a caret, printed above the 6 key; the diaeresis is similar to the double-quote (") above 2 on the UK keyboard; the tilde (~) is printed on the same key as the #.

    UK-Extended does not cater for many languages written with Latin characters, including Romanian and Turkish, or any using different character sets such as Greek and Russian.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Notes:

    The AltGr and letter method used for acutes and cedillas will not work for applications which assign short-cut menu functions to these key combinations. For acute accents the AltGr and apostrophe method should be used.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Hence I configured my computer with United Kingdom as "input language" and "United Kindom extended" on the keyboard layout. Not a Brastemp, but works allright, so far. Just a matter of getting used to "Alt Gr" for most of the typing (as per instructions above), whenever one needs to punctuate portuguese/brazilian way.

    Boa Sorte.

    CaptOtero.


    Quote Originally Posted by André Dias View Post
    Hi All,

    I'm using a notebook with Windows Vista Home Premium and UK Keyboard. I'd
    like to use the portuguese language as input language, but I didn't get.

    I put Brazilian portuguese as Input Language, UK keyboard. This
    configuration seems Ok, but I can't use accent. I can't write my name for
    example: André (just using copy/paste :-)

    Somebody has any idea??

    Thanks in advance
    Andre (without accent :-(

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