I'm using Vista Ultimate and I'm unable to save files to the root drive. I
can create folders on the root drive and save within them, however I cannot
save a file to that drive.
I am the administrator of the computer and it appears I have full control.
What else could be causing this?
> I'm using Vista Ultimate and I'm unable to save files to the root drive. I
> can create folders on the root drive and save within them, however I cannot
> save a file to that drive.
That is by design and is a function of User Account Control (UAC) and the
ACL on the root of the drive. The ACL permits only Administrators and System
from writing files to the root of the drive. UAC means that even if you are a
member of the Administrator's group you do not run as an administrator unless
you elevate.
If you really want to, you can launch whatever process you use to write the
files with as an administrator and then you can write there. If you try to
drag and drop a file there you get an elevation prompt. The recommended
solution is to not store data there though.
Then how do I elevate the rights so this can be done at any time without
having extra steps to go through.
"Jesper" wrote:
> > I'm using Vista Ultimate and I'm unable to save files to the root drive. I
> > can create folders on the root drive and save within them, however I cannot
> > save a file to that drive.
>
> That is by design and is a function of User Account Control (UAC) and the
> ACL on the root of the drive. The ACL permits only Administrators and System
> from writing files to the root of the drive. UAC means that even if you are a
> member of the Administrator's group you do not run as an administrator unless
> you elevate.
>
> If you really want to, you can launch whatever process you use to write the
> files with as an administrator and then you can write there. If you try to
> drag and drop a file there you get an elevation prompt. The recommended
> solution is to not store data there though.
> Then how do I elevate the rights so this can be done at any time without
> having extra steps to go through.
If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C: (did I
mention that it is generally a really bad idea?) and you do not want to
elevate each time, you can resolve the situation by adding an access control
list entry for your account to the root of the drive, as follows:
1. Click the Window button:All Programs:Accessories
2. Right-click on Command Prompt
3. Select Run as administrator and accept the prompt
4. Run this command: icacls c:\ /grant foo:(OI)(CI)(M)
That will grant the user foo modify permissions on c:\. All objects (OI) and
containers (CI) will inherit those permissions. You would need to replace foo
with the name of your user account.
Once you do that any application you run as user foo will be able to store
data in the root of the C: drive. You will also have losened a default
security setting, with all the caveats that entails.
Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea, however, I paid good money for my new
laptop and I want to save some of my information on my C: drive. I'm not
trying to hack Microsoft's software. I want the computer to do what I say to
do.
As far as that command prompt, it did not work. I typed exactly what you
wrote, however I still get this message, "An unexpected error is preventing
the operation. Make note of this error code, which might be useful if you get
additional help to resolve this problem: Error 0x80070522"
"Jesper" wrote:
> > Then how do I elevate the rights so this can be done at any time without
> > having extra steps to go through.
>
> If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C: (did I
> mention that it is generally a really bad idea?) and you do not want to
> elevate each time, you can resolve the situation by adding an access control
> list entry for your account to the root of the drive, as follows:
> 1. Click the Window button:All Programs:Accessories
> 2. Right-click on Command Prompt
> 3. Select Run as administrator and accept the prompt
> 4. Run this command: icacls c:\ /grant foo:(OI)(CI)(M)
>
> That will grant the user foo modify permissions on c:\. All objects (OI) and
> containers (CI) will inherit those permissions. You would need to replace foo
> with the name of your user account.
>
> Once you do that any application you run as user foo will be able to store
> data in the root of the C: drive. You will also have losened a default
> security setting, with all the caveats that entails.
Matthew Fowler wrote:
> Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea, however, I paid good money for my new
> laptop and I want to save some of my information on my C: drive. I'm not
> trying to hack Microsoft's software. I want the computer to do what I say to
> do.
>
> As far as that command prompt, it did not work. I typed exactly what you
> wrote, however I still get this message, "An unexpected error is preventing
> the operation. Make note of this error code, which might be useful if you get
> additional help to resolve this problem: Error 0x80070522: A required
> privilege is not held by the client."
>
> "Jesper" wrote:
>
>>> Then how do I elevate the rights so this can be done at any time without
>>> having extra steps to go through.
>> If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C: (did I
>> mention that it is generally a really bad idea?) and you do not want to
>> elevate each time, you can resolve the situation by adding an access control
>> list entry for your account to the root of the drive, as follows:
>> 1. Click the Window button:All Programs:Accessories
>> 2. Right-click on Command Prompt
>> 3. Select Run as administrator and accept the prompt
>> 4. Run this command: icacls c:\ /grant foo:(OI)(CI)(M)
>>
>> That will grant the user foo modify permissions on c:\. All objects (OI) and
>> containers (CI) will inherit those permissions. You would need to replace foo
>> with the name of your user account.
>>
>> Once you do that any application you run as user foo will be able to store
>> data in the root of the C: drive. You will also have losened a default
>> security setting, with all the caveats that entails.
excuse me, but what's the relation between the money you paid for your
PC, or laptop, what we all did (did anyone get a pc for free down here,
let me know...), and the fact that you wanna store data at the root of
your C drive, which does not make sens, unless your HDD is not
partitioned. Or is it that you don't know how to partition a hard disk?
So the real question would be to ask for help on that topic.
I think Jesper was really kind to spend his time explaining how you
could bypass Vista security, although he was quite aware, like I am,
that storing data on C is an extremely bad idea.
hermes wrote:
> Matthew Fowler wrote:
>> Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea, however, I paid good money for
>> my new laptop and I want to save some of my information on my C:
>> drive. I'm not trying to hack Microsoft's software. I want the
>> computer to do what I say to do.
>>
>> As far as that command prompt, it did not work. I typed exactly what
>> you wrote, however I still get this message, "An unexpected error is
>> preventing the operation. Make note of this error code, which might be
>> useful if you get additional help to resolve this problem: Error
>> 0x80070522: A required privilege is not held by the client."
>>
>> "Jesper" wrote:
>>
>>>> Then how do I elevate the rights so this can be done at any time
>>>> without having extra steps to go through.
>>> If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C:
>>> (did I mention that it is generally a really bad idea?) and you do
>>> not want to elevate each time, you can resolve the situation by
>>> adding an access control list entry for your account to the root of
>>> the drive, as follows:
>>> 1. Click the Window button:All Programs:Accessories
>>> 2. Right-click on Command Prompt
>>> 3. Select Run as administrator and accept the prompt
>>> 4. Run this command: icacls c:\ /grant foo:(OI)(CI)(M)
>>>
>>> That will grant the user foo modify permissions on c:\. All objects
>>> (OI) and containers (CI) will inherit those permissions. You would
>>> need to replace foo with the name of your user account.
>>>
>>> Once you do that any application you run as user foo will be able to
>>> store data in the root of the C: drive. You will also have losened a
>>> default security setting, with all the caveats that entails.
>
> excuse me, but what's the relation between the money you paid for your
> PC, or laptop, what we all did (did anyone get a pc for free down here,
> let me know...), and the fact that you wanna store data at the root of
> your C drive, which does not make sens, unless your HDD is not
> partitioned. Or is it that you don't know how to partition a hard disk?
> So the real question would be to ask for help on that topic.
> I think Jesper was really kind to spend his time explaining how you
> could bypass Vista security, although he was quite aware, like I am,
> that storing data on C is an extremely bad idea.
one last thing, if you really want to do that, just turn UAC off. And
reboot, it's free!
In article <[email protected]>, in the
microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, hermes
<[email protected]> says...
> excuse me, but what's the relation between the money you paid for your
> PC, or laptop, what we all did (did anyone get a pc for free down here,
> let me know...), and the fact that you wanna store data at the root of
> your C drive, which does not make sens, unless your HDD is not
> partitioned. Or is it that you don't know how to partition a hard disk?
> So the real question would be to ask for help on that topic.
> I think Jesper was really kind to spend his time explaining how you
> could bypass Vista security, although he was quite aware, like I am,
> that storing data on C is an extremely bad idea.
This has nothing at all to do with partitioning a drive, nor did
Jesper assert that storing data _on_ the C drive is an extremely
bad idea. The problem here is the desire to store individual
files at the root of the C drive, as opposed to simply creating
folders off of the root of C (or elsewhere on the C drive.
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Paul Adare wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, in the
> microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, hermes
> <[email protected]> says...
>
>> excuse me, but what's the relation between the money you paid for your
>> PC, or laptop, what we all did (did anyone get a pc for free down here,
>> let me know...), and the fact that you wanna store data at the root of
>> your C drive, which does not make sens, unless your HDD is not
>> partitioned. Or is it that you don't know how to partition a hard disk?
>> So the real question would be to ask for help on that topic.
>> I think Jesper was really kind to spend his time explaining how you
>> could bypass Vista security, although he was quite aware, like I am,
>> that storing data on C is an extremely bad idea.
>
> This has nothing at all to do with partitioning a drive, nor did
> Jesper assert that storing data _on_ the C drive is an extremely
> bad idea. The problem here is the desire to store individual
> files at the root of the C drive, as opposed to simply creating
> folders off of the root of C (or elsewhere on the C drive.
>
> Matthew Fowler wrote:
>> Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea
> I'm not
> trying to hack Microsoft's software.
from Jesper:
> If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C: (did I
> mention that it is generally a really bad idea?)
there are some possible reasons for storing files at the root of C
without creating a folder first, one of them could be: bypassing windows
activation process using a script file,for instance, but that was just
an example. Otherwise most programs that need to write to the root of
the system drive in Vista do that with no problem. Manually using a
batch file for any purpose at the root of C is no problem either. But
the idea of writing data directly at the root of C either comes from
someone who's new to windows, or from someone who's trying to implement
some very personal kinda files in Windows.
The relation is the fact that I bought a PC and I want to use it the way I
want to use it. I can understand why Microsoft doesn't want certain things
done to Windows, however I should not be stopped trying to save files there.
It's not a hard concept seeing how previous Windows versions were able to do
that.
However, the root of the issue is UAC. Now that I know that is stopping me
from saving a file there, I'll be able to continue on with my work.
"hermes" wrote:
> Paul Adare wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, in the
> > microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, hermes
> > <[email protected]> says...
> >
> >> excuse me, but what's the relation between the money you paid for your
> >> PC, or laptop, what we all did (did anyone get a pc for free down here,
> >> let me know...), and the fact that you wanna store data at the root of
> >> your C drive, which does not make sens, unless your HDD is not
> >> partitioned. Or is it that you don't know how to partition a hard disk?
> >> So the real question would be to ask for help on that topic.
> >> I think Jesper was really kind to spend his time explaining how you
> >> could bypass Vista security, although he was quite aware, like I am,
> >> that storing data on C is an extremely bad idea.
> >
> > This has nothing at all to do with partitioning a drive, nor did
> > Jesper assert that storing data _on_ the C drive is an extremely
> > bad idea. The problem here is the desire to store individual
> > files at the root of the C drive, as opposed to simply creating
> > folders off of the root of C (or elsewhere on the C drive.
> >
>
> > Matthew Fowler wrote:
> >> Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea
> > I'm not
> > trying to hack Microsoft's software.
>
>
>
> from Jesper:
> > If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C: (did I
> > mention that it is generally a really bad idea?)
>
>
> there are some possible reasons for storing files at the root of C
> without creating a folder first, one of them could be: bypassing windows
> activation process using a script file,for instance, but that was just
> an example. Otherwise most programs that need to write to the root of
> the system drive in Vista do that with no problem. Manually using a
> batch file for any purpose at the root of C is no problem either. But
> the idea of writing data directly at the root of C either comes from
> someone who's new to windows, or from someone who's trying to implement
> some very personal kinda files in Windows.
>
> Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea, however, I paid good money for my
new
> laptop and I want to save some of my information on my C: drive. I'm not
> trying to hack Microsoft's software. I want the computer to do what I say to
> do.
I'm not going to get into the silly arguments about this. You want to do it.
It is your computer, and you are right, you should be able to make it do what
you want.
> As far as that command prompt, it did not work. I typed exactly what you
> wrote, however I still get this message, "An unexpected error is preventing
> the operation. Make note of this error code, which might be useful if you get
> additional help to resolve this problem: Error 0x80070522: A required
> privilege is not held by the client."
That means you do not have the right to change the permissions. You would
get that if you do not elevate. Are you sure you ran the command prompt as an
administrator?
> > list entry for your account to the root of the drive, as follows:
> > 1. Click the Window button:All Programs:Accessories
> > 2. Right-click on Command Prompt
> > 3. Select Run as administrator and accept the prompt
You can do this from the GUI as well. Right-click the C: in Windows Explorer
and select Properties. Click the Security tab. Click the Edit... button and
accept the prompt. Add the user you want, click the Modify checkbox, and
click OK until you are back to Windows Explorer.
Previous versions of Windows also didn't have built in firewalls and all
the things we now take for granted as being normal.
My sister's 1960 Volkswagon didn't have seatbelts when it was built.
Isn't it silly that she's required to have them now when she drives the
car on the modern freeway system? It's not a hard concept to understand
that it's seems silly to use modern safety restraints on a modern
highway systems isn't it?
Things change, Matthew. And we need to understand that just because we
did something one way years ago does not mean it is the right way now.
Don't put blinders on and turn your back on the fact that this is the
year 2007...and drive your computer appropriately.
Matthew Fowler wrote:
> The relation is the fact that I bought a PC and I want to use it the way I
> want to use it. I can understand why Microsoft doesn't want certain things
> done to Windows, however I should not be stopped trying to save files there.
> It's not a hard concept seeing how previous Windows versions were able to do
> that.
>
> However, the root of the issue is UAC. Now that I know that is stopping me
> from saving a file there, I'll be able to continue on with my work.
>
> "hermes" wrote:
>
>
>> Paul Adare wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>, in the
>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, hermes
>>> <[email protected]> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> excuse me, but what's the relation between the money you paid for your
>>>> PC, or laptop, what we all did (did anyone get a pc for free down here,
>>>> let me know...), and the fact that you wanna store data at the root of
>>>> your C drive, which does not make sens, unless your HDD is not
>>>> partitioned. Or is it that you don't know how to partition a hard disk?
>>>> So the real question would be to ask for help on that topic.
>>>> I think Jesper was really kind to spend his time explaining how you
>>>> could bypass Vista security, although he was quite aware, like I am,
>>>> that storing data on C is an extremely bad idea.
>>>>
>>> This has nothing at all to do with partitioning a drive, nor did
>>> Jesper assert that storing data _on_ the C drive is an extremely
>>> bad idea. The problem here is the desire to store individual
>>> files at the root of the C drive, as opposed to simply creating
>>> folders off of the root of C (or elsewhere on the C drive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Fowler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, you mentioned this was a bad idea
>>>>
>>> I'm not
>>> trying to hack Microsoft's software.
>>>
>>
>> from Jesper:
>>
>>> If you really are adamant about storing files in the root of the C: (did I
>>> mention that it is generally a really bad idea?)
>>>
>> there are some possible reasons for storing files at the root of C
>> without creating a folder first, one of them could be: bypassing windows
>> activation process using a script file,for instance, but that was just
>> an example. Otherwise most programs that need to write to the root of
>> the system drive in Vista do that with no problem. Manually using a
>> batch file for any purpose at the root of C is no problem either. But
>> the idea of writing data directly at the root of C either comes from
>> someone who's new to windows, or from someone who's trying to implement
>> some very personal kinda files in Windows.
>>
>>
Sres. mi problema es con mi PC,ya que tengo instalado el Widows Vista HP y no puedo comprimir archivos en el directorio raiz.
Si alguien me puede ayudar gracias.
Espero respuestas
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I feel for you (regarding the grief you're getting about storing a file where YOU WANT), but not surprised. It is easier for people to complain then be helpful. Personally I don't know why someone would spend time claiming you should use your computer a certain way, it is yours and if you want a file there then so be it. Funny how things are changed, one moment we all do things one way then all of a sudden it's bad. Usually (and I feel confident saying this because I am a programmer and this shift happens every few months) it's someone like microsoft and everyone follows, even if they don't understand why. In short, think people, if you are going to waste this guy's time by giving him your view and no solution, then find something else to do. Otherwise be helpful your views are less important than you think. idiots...
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EXACTLY!
I have been going nuts for a week now and even AFTER I have turned off the
UAC, I found I still couldn't get ALLL the Permissions I wanted.
It's MY computer and "I" want to be able to have access to anything I want.
I couldn't beleave Susan's reply, of "this is how it is and deal with it and
you have to change to the "new" way and do things that way and like it"
mentality.
People seem to be overlooking some VERY important things taht have to do
with this nonsense of "oversecuring" the system.
First, I agree, you should be able to put files anywhere you want on your
own computer whehterh others think it's a good idea or not.
But for me this is the issues.
I can't for the life of me get any sort of automated backups to ever REALLY
work, since the security keeps certain things in that ghosted mode.
And even with that, it took me all week before I was finally able to manage
to "mostly" get full access with permissions to ALLL of the files on my
computer, but still some I didn't get permissions for because they were "in
use".
But, once I got those permissions so taht I could actually for reals back up
the hidden, protected files, then I STILL couldn't get either Vista's backup
to back up those files nor could I use my Acronis software to do the job
either.
I can manually click and open the folders, which BTW, are always not only
ghosted, but also have that shortcut arrow on them and I searched and
searched and searched trying my best to find the REAL folders that were named
Documents and Settings LOL
Apparently they either really don't exist or what I suspect more is that
they too are hidden from me somewhere so taht I can't get access to them.
Sooo. my point about all this, is that it seems no matter what you do you
can't ever truly get complete permissions and Control over your own computer.
Which so far has been lame for me.
And this is with me turning OFF the UAC too!
And BTW, that thing gets very annoying after a while.
I sort of feel like that PC guy on the Mac vs PC commercials where the PC
has to constantly Agree to every little thing that happens on the computer LOL
And he finally has to Agree that he's come to a sad realization LOL
I of course don't want to have to come to any sort of sad realization, I
would rather just have this thing let me be god of my own computer and not
boss me around.
Thanx........................md
"Jimmy" wrote:
> I feel for you (regarding the grief you're getting about storing a file where YOU WANT), but not surprised. It is easier for people to complain then be helpful. Personally I don't know why someone would spend time claiming you should use your computer a certain way, it is yours and if you want a file there then so be it. Funny how things are changed, one moment we all do things one way then all of a sudden it's bad. Usually (and I feel confident saying this because I am a programmer and this shift happens every few months) it's someone like microsoft and everyone follows, even if they don't understand why. In short, think people, if you are going to waste this guy's time by giving him your view and no solution, then find something else to do. Otherwise be helpful your views are less important than you think. idiots...
>
> EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
> http://www.eggheadcafe.com
>
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