Cannot Print to XP Printer from Vista but I can share files

[Bruce Sanderson]

I'm curious about your problem and have some questions:

1. is the XP computer XP Home or XP Professional?
2. on the XP computer, do you have a user account that has a password
defined? If not, add one on the XP computer and add the same user account
with the same password on the Vista computer. Logon on the Vista computer
with this new account - does this make any difference to the printer issue
or to the "can not browse (in Explorer) the XP Computer network...)?
3. please try the "adding a port" workaround again from the Vista computer
preferably while logged on using the account created per my question 2 -
please describe exactly when you get the problem and what exactly the
symptom is. To add the Port, you may have to start the Add Printer process
by:

a. open the Printers window (e.g. Start, Printers)
b. click File, Run as Administrator, Add Printer

or

a. open the Printers window
b. click File, Run as Administrator, Server Properties
c. select the Ports tab
d. click Add Port...


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Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders

It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.



"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check this out!!!
> I plugged the printer in question (Brother MFC-3420) directly into the
> Vista
> Machine and the device and drivers installed instantly and automatically.
> I
> could immediately print to it directly. So it is not a Printer driver
> issue.
> I then shared the printer (from the Vista machine) back to the XP machine
> and immediately could see and it and print to it from the XP machine. I
> put
> everything back the way it was originally and nothing improved. I also
> tried
> Bruce Sanderson's workaround with the "adding a port" per the Shaw
> website...nada. I guess it is a networking permission bug. I would hate
> to
> have to do this everytime I need to print from the laptop. I am
> considering
> buying several bluetooth USB's and creating a network between all of my
> devices. Ebay for $5.99 each. Thoughts?
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> "Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:
>
>> OK
>>
>> I'm not knowledgeable about networking printing and its problems but
>> there is a lot posted here about them.
>>
>> AMOI What happens if you plug the printr directly into the laptop --
>> can you print then?
>>
>> Personally, especially on a laptop where so many special drivers and
>> utilities are used, I would not move to VISTA for as long as possible
>> so if you can get the equivalent machine with XP I'd go for it.
>>
>>

[Rob]

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for following through on this with me. I finally got her to go!!!
1. Printer Server is XP Home 5.1, SP2, the laptop is Vista Home Premium
2. There were no passwords on either machine so I added them (The user
accounts have both always been Rob) It made no difference, as I could still
not "browse" the XP network via Windows Explorer from Vista (I can browse
Vista from Vista in Windows Explorer fine... I guess I'll discuss this in
another forum) I can see the computer, but when I click on the Network Icon
the Vista machine appears immediately and a status bar across the top runs
for about 5 seconds, then the XP Machine appears. When I click on the XP
machine to expand it the error message "\\XP Machine is not accessible. You
might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator of the server to find out if you have permissions"
3. I added the port on the Vista Machine (although I couldn't see the "Run
as administrator" option). I had previously added the port on the XP Machine
(at least that was what the Shaw workaround said), which made no difference.
From the Vista machine, I used "add a printer", "add a local printer" (not
network printer), "create new port", "local port", entered the
COMPUTERNAME\PRINTERNAME the same as in the port that I had added on the XP
machine and it worked!

Thanks a bunch
P.S. It should have worked from the add a network printer function.



"Bruce Sanderson" wrote:

> I'm curious about your problem and have some questions:
>
> 1. is the XP computer XP Home or XP Professional?
> 2. on the XP computer, do you have a user account that has a password
> defined? If not, add one on the XP computer and add the same user account
> with the same password on the Vista computer. Logon on the Vista computer
> with this new account - does this make any difference to the printer issue
> or to the "can not browse (in Explorer) the XP Computer network...)?
> 3. please try the "adding a port" workaround again from the Vista computer
> preferably while logged on using the account created per my question 2 -
> please describe exactly when you get the problem and what exactly the
> symptom is. To add the Port, you may have to start the Add Printer process
> by:
>
> a. open the Printers window (e.g. Start, Printers)
> b. click File, Run as Administrator, Add Printer
>
> or
>
> a. open the Printers window
> b. click File, Run as Administrator, Server Properties
> c. select the Ports tab
> d. click Add Port...
>
>
> --
> Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders
>
> It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.
>
>
>
> "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Check this out!!!
> > I plugged the printer in question (Brother MFC-3420) directly into the
> > Vista
> > Machine and the device and drivers installed instantly and automatically.
> > I
> > could immediately print to it directly. So it is not a Printer driver
> > issue.
> > I then shared the printer (from the Vista machine) back to the XP machine
> > and immediately could see and it and print to it from the XP machine. I
> > put
> > everything back the way it was originally and nothing improved. I also
> > tried
> > Bruce Sanderson's workaround with the "adding a port" per the Shaw
> > website...nada. I guess it is a networking permission bug. I would hate
> > to
> > have to do this everytime I need to print from the laptop. I am
> > considering
> > buying several bluetooth USB's and creating a network between all of my
> > devices. Ebay for $5.99 each. Thoughts?
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > "Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:
> >
> >> OK
> >>
> >> I'm not knowledgeable about networking printing and its problems but
> >> there is a lot posted here about them.
> >>
> >> AMOI What happens if you plug the printr directly into the laptop --
> >> can you print then?
> >>
> >> Personally, especially on a laptop where so many special drivers and
> >> utilities are used, I would not move to VISTA for as long as possible
> >> so if you can get the equivalent machine with XP I'd go for it.
> >>
> >>
>

[Jonathan]

I have the same problem. XP main computer with modern HP printer. Vista
laptop, but although internet can be accessed, I am unable to access the
network. Therefore no file sharing and no printing. Any additional help
please?

"Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Rob
> wrote:
> > I guess it is a networking permission bug.
>
> As I said Networking is where I say "Please help me ..... " <g>
>
> Someone here ought to be able to help sort it out or escalate it up to
> Redmond -- Jill seems to do that?
>
> I think I saw a message saying they had solved it by making sure both
> ends used the same password? And I believe MS changed the default
> Workgroup name in VISTA -- anything wrong there? Can you do other
> things over the network?
>
>

[Rob]

Read bruce's threads. There is a lot that needs to be done. You add the
printer to your VISTA machine as a LOCAL printer, not as a network printer.
you must first create the port manually on your XP machine and then enter it
manually on your VISTA. You can not browse for it through networking. Make
sure your VISTA network is private, not public, without any passwords
required for the network, download all patches for XP from MS Website. make
sure file and printer sharing is on for both machines. turn off firewalls
(at least temporarily), you can also map a network drive from windows
explorer on both machines.
I think that is it. I am finally fully functional after a week of screwing
around....

"Jonathan" wrote:

> I have the same problem. XP main computer with modern HP printer. Vista
> laptop, but although internet can be accessed, I am unable to access the
> network. Therefore no file sharing and no printing. Any additional help
> please?
>
> "Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, Rob
> > wrote:
> > > I guess it is a networking permission bug.
> >
> > As I said Networking is where I say "Please help me ..... " <g>
> >
> > Someone here ought to be able to help sort it out or escalate it up to
> > Redmond -- Jill seems to do that?
> >
> > I think I saw a message saying they had solved it by making sure both
> > ends used the same password? And I believe MS changed the default
> > Workgroup name in VISTA -- anything wrong there? Can you do other
> > things over the network?
> >
> >

[8178]

The local printer solution on Vista to print on a Windows 2000 server worked for me too with the exception that graphics now print in low res dithered format. All text printing is fine. All my other XP computers print fine through the Windows 2000 server. I tried using a Windows XP machine as a print server and had the same graphics print problem.

I’m using a HP 960C printer and if I connect it directly to the Vista computer the graphics are perfect.

I talked to Microsoft Vista support and they do not have a solution other that using a Vista machine as the print server.
Any ideas?

[8178]

Dang finally got it working using UNIX print services! Bill will not be happy about that. This site had the solution http://17slon.com/blogs/gabr/2007/02...esn-print.html

[8178]

After thinking about this more I realized if I could print using IP services I should be a to print with local port redirect and it does work now. The key was using the check box for the Vista print driver that apparently removes the 2000 print driver from the communication path

[suphomedogg9]

I was having the same exact problem. I had my printed hooked up to my XP machine and it wouldn't print off my Vista. So I went on to my printers manufacturers website (Dell in my case) and downloaded the printed Firmware and Driver updates for Vista PC's. I then loaded the Vista driver updates onto my XP and installed them. After they were done installing, I tried to print from my Vista machine again and it worked! So I think if you just install Vista drivers on your XP machine, you won't have a problem.

[8178]

Many of the printer manufacturers like HP are not providing separate Vista drivers for all of their printers because they are built into Vista. Therefore the only way to make these printers work is to use the solution I used that is described above.

[KaseyCasem]

If you plug the printr USB cable directly into the vista PC , it cant print
also.My printer is Dell all-in-one 924.
I can share files n internet connection.

[Kiwi John]

"Bruce Sanderson" wrote:

> I'm curious about your problem and have some questions:
>
> 1. is the XP computer XP Home or XP Professional?
> 2. on the XP computer, do you have a user account that has a password
> defined? If not, add one on the XP computer and add the same user account
> with the same password on the Vista computer. Logon on the Vista computer
> with this new account - does this make any difference to the printer issue
> or to the "can not browse (in Explorer) the XP Computer network...)?
> 3. please try the "adding a port" workaround again from the Vista computer
> preferably while logged on using the account created per my question 2 -
> please describe exactly when you get the problem and what exactly the
> symptom is. To add the Port, you may have to start the Add Printer process
> by:
>
> a. open the Printers window (e.g. Start, Printers)
> b. click File, Run as Administrator, Add Printer
>
> or
>
> a. open the Printers window
> b. click File, Run as Administrator, Server Properties
> c. select the Ports tab
> d. click Add Port...
>
>
> --
> Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders
>
> It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.
>
>
>
> "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Check this out!!!
> > I plugged the printer in question (Brother MFC-3420) directly into the
> > Vista
> > Machine and the device and drivers installed instantly and automatically.
> > I
> > could immediately print to it directly. So it is not a Printer driver
> > issue.
> > I then shared the printer (from the Vista machine) back to the XP machine
> > and immediately could see and it and print to it from the XP machine. I
> > put
> > everything back the way it was originally and nothing improved. I also
> > tried
> > Bruce Sanderson's workaround with the "adding a port" per the Shaw
> > website...nada. I guess it is a networking permission bug. I would hate
> > to
> > have to do this everytime I need to print from the laptop. I am
> > considering
> > buying several bluetooth USB's and creating a network between all of my
> > devices. Ebay for $5.99 each. Thoughts?
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > "Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:
> >
> >> OK
> >>
> >> I'm not knowledgeable about networking printing and its problems but
> >> there is a lot posted here about them.
> >>
> >> AMOI What happens if you plug the printr directly into the laptop --
> >> can you print then?
> >>
> >> Personally, especially on a laptop where so many special drivers and
> >> utilities are used, I would not move to VISTA for as long as possible
> >> so if you can get the equivalent machine with XP I'd go for it.
> >>
> >>
>

[Kiwi John]

Hi,

Have had a similar problem, and found that Norton Internet Security was
causing an issue. Once I added the components of my home network as trusted
items I was able to add a printer to my Vista laptop that is connected to an
XP PC. Did this the normal way and added as a network printer.

But I still have a problem. I can print a test page no worries. However when
I try and print from Word 2003, Word cannot find the printer even though it
is set as default. On the other hand Excel 2003 will find it and print fine!!

Anyone have any thoughts?

"Bruce Sanderson" wrote:

> I'm curious about your problem and have some questions:
>
> 1. is the XP computer XP Home or XP Professional?
> 2. on the XP computer, do you have a user account that has a password
> defined? If not, add one on the XP computer and add the same user account
> with the same password on the Vista computer. Logon on the Vista computer
> with this new account - does this make any difference to the printer issue
> or to the "can not browse (in Explorer) the XP Computer network...)?
> 3. please try the "adding a port" workaround again from the Vista computer
> preferably while logged on using the account created per my question 2 -
> please describe exactly when you get the problem and what exactly the
> symptom is. To add the Port, you may have to start the Add Printer process
> by:
>
> a. open the Printers window (e.g. Start, Printers)
> b. click File, Run as Administrator, Add Printer
>
> or
>
> a. open the Printers window
> b. click File, Run as Administrator, Server Properties
> c. select the Ports tab
> d. click Add Port...
>
>
> --
> Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders
>
> It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.
>
>
>
> "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Check this out!!!
> > I plugged the printer in question (Brother MFC-3420) directly into the
> > Vista
> > Machine and the device and drivers installed instantly and automatically.
> > I
> > could immediately print to it directly. So it is not a Printer driver
> > issue.
> > I then shared the printer (from the Vista machine) back to the XP machine
> > and immediately could see and it and print to it from the XP machine. I
> > put
> > everything back the way it was originally and nothing improved. I also
> > tried
> > Bruce Sanderson's workaround with the "adding a port" per the Shaw
> > website...nada. I guess it is a networking permission bug. I would hate
> > to
> > have to do this everytime I need to print from the laptop. I am
> > considering
> > buying several bluetooth USB's and creating a network between all of my
> > devices. Ebay for $5.99 each. Thoughts?
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > "Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:
> >
> >> OK
> >>
> >> I'm not knowledgeable about networking printing and its problems but
> >> there is a lot posted here about them.
> >>
> >> AMOI What happens if you plug the printr directly into the laptop --
> >> can you print then?
> >>
> >> Personally, especially on a laptop where so many special drivers and
> >> utilities are used, I would not move to VISTA for as long as possible
> >> so if you can get the equivalent machine with XP I'd go for it.
> >>
> >>
>

[flaxem]

hello people

what if we try ti install a vista compadible NIC or W/less receiver to the printers?that will make it easier.since the only thing we will have to do is add the printers IP address to the network...

wouldn't it work?

[Andente]

I'm having he same problem. Canon MP360 printer and Vista. I am unable to
print pictures from my pc to the printer. Canon told me to download an Add-on
but that hasn't helped.

"8178" wrote:

>
> The local printer solution on Vista to print on a Windows 2000 server
> worked for me too with the exception that graphics now print in low res
> dithered format. All text printing is fine. All my other XP computers
> print fine through the Windows 2000 server. I tried using a Windows XP
> machine as a print server and had the same graphics print problem.
>
> I’m using a HP 960C printer and if I connect it directly to the Vista
> computer the graphics are perfect.
>
> I talked to Microsoft Vista support and they do not have a solution
> other that using a Vista machine as the print server.
> Any ideas?
>
>
> --
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[srobitai]

I received the same error message 0x800f0214. Very little good answers
online so I tried the 64x driver instead... even though my comp is 32bit
and it worked... hope that helps someone out there.


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srobitai