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Thread: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

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    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    Honestly, I play a melee character. I get my face off every time I encounter a mage NPC. When I have difficulty chopping them down with my weapons, I pull out dual flames and simply torch them down with no effort. The granted manna in the game runs out quick for me (I am 120/120 primarily due to the fact I only use manna for healing.) I think if I am packed at some points into Manna instead, I wouldn't have any problem maintaining constant DPS. I rely on fatigue, and some Mana to keep my health up. I can take a beating, my dps output isn't anywhere near as great as a dual caster. So I totally disagree with saying melee doesn't have to rely on all 3 bars [stamina, mana, health]. I feel the game is greatly balanced, and even at a default difficulty the game proves challenging. So it's not a stroll in the park? Turn it on novice if you think it's too hard. This is just my opinion, no intention of trolling intended.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    The thing that really irks me is that certain spell effects in Destruction become absolutely useless. Personally, I loved the Flames spell. A jet of fire leaving my hands was awesome. It makes no sense why I suddenly can't use that spell effect anymore. What would have been nice was to either have spells scale or allow each individual spell to be improved upon.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    My brother has a level 30 pure mage, and has most if not every single perk in Destruction. He kicks the out of everything in 1-2 hits with a single fireball I think all the mages who are saying destruction sucks are either playing on a stupendously hard difficulty mode, or just don't know their craft very well. Or maybe none of you are taking perks in the tree. Although, most examples I see of why destruction is bad are coming from mages using the worst spell they can against certain monster types.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    You can upgrade a steel sword and that is surely going to increase the damage output while remaining in the same weapon tier. You can't do that with Destruction. Even once you get to Daedric weaponry, you can still continue to improve its' damage and even enchant it to continue to provide more damage. A spell of 50 DMG will stay at 50dmg forever. In the end, what this means is that a warrior-type character still has options at higher levels. But a Destruction mage does not.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    I love the Dwarves Axe quite a lot because of the look. It has an awesome appeal. I am not really planning to use it. I still think melee is not as I had expected in the agme. Skyrim is not really a game like WoW. You have to higher your one-handed skill to get higher damage. I thought all weapons had a constant damage rating. For spells you can use perks to definitely increase their power. Using all the schools of magic though, is a mage's best line of defense.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    It’s not possible to go into combat without a companion as a pure mage. While offensive magic can deal out hefty damage, it's simply not possible to rely on it, or rely on magic at all. If you dropped all your melee weapons and only used fire, the first enemy that you fail to kill with your first destruction burst would lodge an axe in your face, and there is no way to avoid it. I have 400 magic and lots of destruction perks, I started a dual-wielding character to compare, and it’s not even funny how easy the game is in stealth or fighter mode. Magic is a very effective sidearm, but it simply cannot be relied upon in combat as a primary weapon, you have no fallback.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    There is a difference between the material of a weapon influencing its damage and the effect of a spell. There is no law that dictates Flames MUST be weaker than Firebolt. But it is known that the dwarves axe is less durable and powerful than ebony or Daedric. A better analogy would be to compare weapons of the same material but different design, like a dwarf’s axe or dwarves sword. Neither one is extremely better than the other. It depends on your play style. There is no reason why a ball of fire has to be stronger than a jet of fire.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    One hand weapon damage does scale with your skill even without the perks. Also weapon perks get 100% damage increase + enchantments increasing weapon damage by certain percentage+ better something which further increases weapon damage + also better something which can improve weapons at the highest level roughly 100%. all these are percentage increase, resulting in monstrous damage. let’s look at what spells get shall we? +50% from perk

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    I am not saying that it's as easy as melee or that I think it should be. Casters in any game are squishy, and I don't see why it should be any different this time around. I can't sit here and deny some of the points people have made because some of them are obviously true. I am not level 40+ so I can't say that I am as knowledgeable as some of them are on mana classes, I'm just going to leave it on the note that I disagree. That is all.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    This is what they should offer as level progress. They must atleast offer 75 damage, a 100 damage one a 120 etc. Also do it in all classes of each spell, for example the fire flamethrower should have constant upgrades from the basic 8 damage per second, and just continue up to 15, 25, 50 etc. This way people can also use the ones they like the most, some love the flamethrower but if it never increase in damage. And at some point it become useless against the enemies. This is the one thing that upset me. I thought the weapon would be one of the most powerful one. There is no shame in playing a lower difficulty level.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    Anyway, there is one completely valid point about destruction magic. You get perks to increase damage, and that is about it. With a warrior, you will eventually get daedric weapons, and as a mage you will eventually get your top-tier spells. This happens somewhere around the mid-twenties, I believe. Now, with a warrior, however, you can increase your power beyond mere base daedric sword levels with increased skill levels, perks, forging, enchanting, and potions. With a mage, you can increase damage with perks (very finite) and potions. Once you have hit top-level spells and have the perks, you are at peak permanent damage output levels which can be around level 25. There is a simple solution to this - scale destruction damage to the player's level by some means.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    First, there are no real limitations in Skyrim when it comes to skill combination, and it's obvious that certain combination will make your character stronger/tougher. I'm more interested in examining skills specifically, which would in this case be Destruction. I expected Destruction to really have a feeling of raw power to it. I'm not saying that it should do more damage than any other skill, but just that it should capture that feeling when my character uses magic. The animations this time around (at least when compared to Oblivion) are wonderful. I am really pleased with the amount of detail put into them, and that's definitely a plus. On the other hand, the Destruction spells feel very constrained in what they do, and how effective they are.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    People saying I have played a mage its easy. And it somehow work correct at first few levels. Before I was at level 10 I tested my friend mages and was overpowered because I was killing everything with flames in seconds. Now at level 28 I spend 20 times as much running away recharging mana even with the archmages clothes and plenty of +50 magic or 100% mana Regen items equipped because my fireballs take away 5% of an opponents health when I dual wield it. Around level 15 I almost decided just to stop leveling up but that seemed like a real game killer so I bit the bullet.

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    I play a destruction mage in the lvl 40+ bracket on master difficulty. I think it's pretty good.

    Destruction alone is not enough though. Leve conjuration until you can have you thralls. I currently run around with two storm thralls, and i dual-wield either thunderbolt or chain lightning. I can simply stun-lock everything with impact. Even dragons have a hard time breathing on me.

    Of course that required me to level up enchanting pretty soon. Maxing it. I have about 420 mana, 500 health. 100% mana reduction for destruction spells. I only ever use mana for conjuring the thralls if they die or to heal myself.

    I have an armor rating under 100, but that's because i didn't level alteration, and i wear some kind of crappy light armor. But armor is not that useful anyway. A giant can one-shot me, same for a dragon trying to bite me, but that almost never happen anyway, if i play properly i can keep melee enemies at bay, plus i've got two tanks that can defend me =)

    As a fully buffed melee/archer character through smithing, enchanting and relevant weapon skill, i was indeed able to wreck through everything even on master difficulty. As a mage i need a bit more tactics, but it is way more fun.

    I love my mage

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    Re: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Destruction is not underpowered

    That can be true to some extent. At some part I found almost very difficult to play. The dragon for example. Ancient dragon made in Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim are quiet powerful to deal with. In this game things are made a little more powerful. Like the dragons can simply pickup mammoths or bandits an drop them from air. So this are something which cannot be ignored. They are a bit more powerful as you expands and find more creatures. I had turned up the difficulty and found that they are more tougher to deal with.

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