Win Backup - shadow copy

I have asked this b4 but never got a straight answer
why does shadow copy not load to do its job ??
even after a another full win xp install ! !
ted
:-(

ntbackup.exe has a few bugs. You will need a better backup app. Even the
'Files and Settings Transfer Wizard' (start menu) is better.
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"ted" wrote:

> I have asked this b4 but never got a straight answer
> why does shadow copy not load to do its job ??
> even after a another full win xp install ! !
> ted
> :-(

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kind of what I figured :: I have -twice - asked good ol' MS help
desk - LOL LOL quite the joke... dont know why I even bother
asking them anything LOL
they 1: dont seem to read the whole question - which could mean
they have an autoanswer that checks for keywords in the questns.
and spews out some rediculously dumb answer
2: dont have a clue LOL
thanks for your answer tho. I have tested one backup pgm that 'seems' to
work - havent done a re-install from it yet to see if its done a complete job.
I bakup the C: partition now and then so when Win goes bonkers I just
reload the last backup. except - my older pc just went south and I would get
the 'blue screen' with all its bs. trouble is - it did a restart about
..25 of a
second after pop up so I couldnt tell what the prob was. had to do a new
install with format. thats after trying to do 'R' repair - another joke of
MS.
and then a new install 'overwrite' which didnt work either. LOL LOL
pc's are just too much fun LOL LOL LOL they are like females - cant live
with or without them LOL
ted
:-)
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"Mark L. Ferguson" wrote:

> ntbackup.exe has a few bugs. You will need a better backup app. Even the
> 'Files and Settings Transfer Wizard' (start menu) is better.
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> "ted" wrote:
>
> > I have asked this b4 but never got a straight answer
> > why does shadow copy not load to do its job ??
> > even after a another full win xp install ! !
> > ted
> > :-(

"ted" wrote in message
news:69AE1E00-252A-4883-8113-EBFB12F78BA4@microsoft.com...
> I have asked this b4 but never got a straight answer
> why does shadow copy not load to do its job ??
> even after a another full win xp install ! !


So are you saying that the Volume Shadow Copy service (VSS) never
changes from Manual to Start mode? VSS is configured, by default, for
manual mode. That means it is not started (and running) unless a
client process asks it to start. It would only start if an
application used VSS. About anywhere up to 18 minutes after the
applications closes will VSS change from Started to Manual. You
didn't happen to configure VSS to be Disabled, did you? Did you
include any system-state files in the backup? Have you check Event
Viewer to see if there were errors during the backup? Are you running
a Terminal Server client on your host
(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888603/en-us)? Is the "Disable
volume shadow copy" option UNCHECKED (not selected) in the advanced
dialog for the backup job?

Are we to guess if you are using the Home or Professional version of
Windows XP? If Home, did you install the Backup program (ntbackup.exe
is not included, by default, when installing WinXP Home)? Or are you
asking about some other "Win Backup" program than ntbackup.exe?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/104169/en-us

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sorry - not enuf info - I prob shouldnt write a ? when I am irritated LOL
xp pro sp2 and all msupdates -except ie7
I tried resetting it to auto - still didnt work (vss)
I always include system state. yes - red the 'report'
said 'error trying to load vss'
there were about 15 +/- files that didnt get backdup due to being used
by another process. I didnt realy worry about them because they were
mostly .log files and nothing seemd a prob looseing.
I run nothing in the background during backup. pre-clean temp int files,
cookies etc
no server - all simple . I run a clean system. dont allow anything in
startup
that doesnt have to be there. HP, Word, and others that all want to have
instant stuff always running - removed ! dont use any of it enuf to warrant
the cpu nano's lost LOL
think I covered all ur ?'s.
ted
:-)
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"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "ted" wrote in message
> news:69AE1E00-252A-4883-8113-EBFB12F78BA4@microsoft.com...
> > I have asked this b4 but never got a straight answer
> > why does shadow copy not load to do its job ??
> > even after a another full win xp install ! !
>
>
> So are you saying that the Volume Shadow Copy service (VSS) never
> changes from Manual to Start mode? VSS is configured, by default, for
> manual mode. That means it is not started (and running) unless a
> client process asks it to start. It would only start if an
> application used VSS. About anywhere up to 18 minutes after the
> applications closes will VSS change from Started to Manual. You
> didn't happen to configure VSS to be Disabled, did you? Did you
> include any system-state files in the backup? Have you check Event
> Viewer to see if there were errors during the backup? Are you running
> a Terminal Server client on your host
> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888603/en-us)? Is the "Disable
> volume shadow copy" option UNCHECKED (not selected) in the advanced
> dialog for the backup job?
>
> Are we to guess if you are using the Home or Professional version of
> Windows XP? If Home, did you install the Backup program (ntbackup.exe
> is not included, by default, when installing WinXP Home)? Or are you
> asking about some other "Win Backup" program than ntbackup.exe?
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/104169/en-us
>
>

well, we know that
there is a service via
admin tools for
volume shadow coping

so possibly the service could
be cycled between enable
and disable and see if it
helps to start it.

also, as shadow copy requires
some disk space as well, so
this might be a factor when
the backup tries to create a
copy and fails.

then, just like Mark stated,
the application is failing to
initiate the shadowing.

here is a link that reiterates that:

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window....mspx?mfr=true

with respect to your methodology
of creating a backup copy of
your data, i strongly recommend
a more reliable method like
"disk imaging".

i have successfully used something
called "drive image xml".

in addition, you can incorporate
into the methodology above
something called "barts pe"
and add the "drive image xml plug-in"

good luck.

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"ted" <ted@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:69AE1E00-252A-4883-8113-EBFB12F78BA4@microsoft.com...
> I have asked this b4 but never got a straight answer
> why does shadow copy not load to do its job ??
> even after a another full win xp install ! !
> ted
> :-(