XP Home Edition & Windows Vista Ultimate Networking

I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers. Anybody
got any idea what's wrong?

Can they ping each other?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


"Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72127EE1-1A17-494F-8C5D-A9484F1F5C8B@microsoft.com...
> I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
> systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers.
> Anybody
> got any idea what's wrong?
>

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:01 -0800, Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
>systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers. Anybody
>got any idea what's wrong?

Mike,

There are a number of possible causes for your symptom. The most commonly
reported cause is a misconfigured or overlooked personal firewall. What
anti-virus protection do you use?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ther-help.html

You may be able to diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
precisely (Download browstat, and note how to open a command window in Windows
Vista!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

No, pings do not work from either machine. My attempts at problem resolution
led to a Windows Vista Ultimate crash that required a restore from an earlier
restore point. All I did was disable TCPIP 4 temporarily and down I went.

"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" wrote:

> Can they ping each other?
>
> --
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
> http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
> http://www.HowToNetworking.com
>
>
> "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:72127EE1-1A17-494F-8C5D-A9484F1F5C8B@microsoft.com...
> > I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
> > systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers.
> > Anybody
> > got any idea what's wrong?
> >
>
>

I'm using the AV software that came with the machine when it was delivered in
12/07, Trend Micro. I learned in my early attempts to get two machines with
Microsoft operating systems to connect with each other like they always used
to ... was to first deactivate the AV software. When their 30 day trial
ends, I'll delete it and shift to the Windows Firewall software.

I actually had both machines working fine until I installed some of the
downloads that Microsoft recommended this week ... and at that point lost
complete connectivity and have not been able to get it back. That's scary.

Mike

"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:01 -0800, Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
> >systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers. Anybody
> >got any idea what's wrong?
>
> Mike,
>
> There are a number of possible causes for your symptom. The most commonly
> reported cause is a misconfigured or overlooked personal firewall. What
> anti-virus protection do you use?
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ther-help.html
>
> You may be able to diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status",
> "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
> computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
> precisely (Download browstat, and note how to open a command window in Windows
> Vista!):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

Do not touch TCP/IPv4!
That is to do with internet connectivity(IP>Internet Protocol!)
You can try disabling TCP/IPv6 if you have trouble getting to the NET.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
How to give Permissions are there, too.
If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.

1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
the SAME.

In Vista Network and Sharing:

Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

File Sharing: ON

Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
Docs)

Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
from an XP computer.

Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.


"Mike" wrote:

> I'm using the AV software that came with the machine when it was delivered in
> 12/07, Trend Micro. I learned in my early attempts to get two machines with
> Microsoft operating systems to connect with each other like they always used
> to ... was to first deactivate the AV software. When their 30 day trial
> ends, I'll delete it and shift to the Windows Firewall software.
>
> I actually had both machines working fine until I installed some of the
> downloads that Microsoft recommended this week ... and at that point lost
> complete connectivity and have not been able to get it back. That's scary.
>
> Mike
>
> "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:01 -0800, Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
> > >systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers. Anybody
> > >got any idea what's wrong?
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > There are a number of possible causes for your symptom. The most commonly
> > reported cause is a misconfigured or overlooked personal firewall. What
> > anti-virus protection do you use?
> > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ther-help.html
> >
> > You may be able to diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status",
> > "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
> > computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
> > precisely (Download browstat, and note how to open a command window in Windows
> > Vista!):
> > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> > My email is AT DOT
> > actual address pchuck mvps org.
> >

I had everything working, and after the last Microsoft download Vista update,
the peer-to-peer file sharing, printer sharing, and even the recognition of
two machines both running Windows stopped completely and all efforts to
restore such a simple connection have failed. How can I undo Microsoft's
last download, which is clearly the problem in this situation?

Mike

"Mick Murphy" wrote:

> Do not touch TCP/IPv4!
> That is to do with internet connectivity(IP>Internet Protocol!)
> You can try disabling TCP/IPv6 if you have trouble getting to the NET.
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>
> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
> How to give Permissions are there, too.
> If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.
>
> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
> the SAME.
>
> In Vista Network and Sharing:
>
> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
>
> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
>
> File Sharing: ON
>
> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
> Docs)
>
> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
> passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
> asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
> from an XP computer.
>
> Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.
>
>
> "Mike" wrote:
>
> > I'm using the AV software that came with the machine when it was delivered in
> > 12/07, Trend Micro. I learned in my early attempts to get two machines with
> > Microsoft operating systems to connect with each other like they always used
> > to ... was to first deactivate the AV software. When their 30 day trial
> > ends, I'll delete it and shift to the Windows Firewall software.
> >
> > I actually had both machines working fine until I installed some of the
> > downloads that Microsoft recommended this week ... and at that point lost
> > complete connectivity and have not been able to get it back. That's scary.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:01 -0800, Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
> > > >systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers. Anybody
> > > >got any idea what's wrong?
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > There are a number of possible causes for your symptom. The most commonly
> > > reported cause is a misconfigured or overlooked personal firewall. What
> > > anti-virus protection do you use?
> > > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
> > > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ther-help.html
> > >
> > > You may be able to diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status",
> > > "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
> > > computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
> > > precisely (Download browstat, and note how to open a command window in Windows
> > > Vista!):
> > > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> > > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> > > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> > > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> > > My email is AT DOT
> > > actual address pchuck mvps org.
> > >

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:33:02 -0800, Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>"Mick Murphy" wrote:
>
>> Do not touch TCP/IPv4!
>> That is to do with internet connectivity(IP>Internet Protocol!)
>> You can try disabling TCP/IPv6 if you have trouble getting to the NET.
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>>
>> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
>> How to give Permissions are there, too.
>> If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.
>>
>> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
>> the SAME.
>>
>> In Vista Network and Sharing:
>>
>> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
>>
>> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
>>
>> File Sharing: ON
>>
>> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
>> Docs)
>>
>> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
>> passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
>> asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
>> from an XP computer.
>>
>> Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.
>>
>>
>> "Mike" wrote:
>>
>> > I'm using the AV software that came with the machine when it was delivered in
>> > 12/07, Trend Micro. I learned in my early attempts to get two machines with
>> > Microsoft operating systems to connect with each other like they always used
>> > to ... was to first deactivate the AV software. When their 30 day trial
>> > ends, I'll delete it and shift to the Windows Firewall software.
>> >
>> > I actually had both machines working fine until I installed some of the
>> > downloads that Microsoft recommended this week ... and at that point lost
>> > complete connectivity and have not been able to get it back. That's scary.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:01 -0800, Mike <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >I've downloaded the upgrades that I know about for both of these operating
>> > > >systems, now neither machine sees the other or its files & printers. Anybody
>> > > >got any idea what's wrong?
>> > >
>> > > Mike,
>> > >
>> > > There are a number of possible causes for your symptom. The most commonly
>> > > reported cause is a misconfigured or overlooked personal firewall. What
>> > > anti-virus protection do you use?
>> > > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>> > > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ther-help.html
>> > >
>> > > You may be able to diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status",
>> > > "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
>> > > computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
>> > > precisely (Download browstat, and note how to open a command window in Windows
>> > > Vista!):
>> > > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>> > > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

>I had everything working, and after the last Microsoft download Vista update,
>the peer-to-peer file sharing, printer sharing, and even the recognition of
>two machines both running Windows stopped completely and all efforts to
>restore such a simple connection have failed. How can I undo Microsoft's
>last download, which is clearly the problem in this situation?

Mike,

System Restore should remove the changes. But you'd do better to figure out
what the problem is, as some changes are essential, and future changes may
depend upon those changes.

Diagnostics, such as what I asked for above, may help solve the problem, instead
of backing out the symptoms.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

[nlthomas]

I had the same problem that you did. This is what I did to fix it:

1) Open Windows firewall on the Vista Machine
2) Click change settings
3) Click on the exceptions tab
4) Highlight the File and Print Sharing "program"
5) Click the Add port button
6) Type in any name you want
7) type 445 as the port number
8) Leave it as TCP
9) Click ok.
10) click Ok.

I have my firewall set up for a private network and after doing this, everything seems to work. Port 445 is the standard windows file sharing port. Let me know if this works.

Nate