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This is good news Scott.

Thanks for keeping us posted!
Sri

"scottpen" wrote:

> Sorry took so long for reply.
>
> I unhooked both xp from network and checked still no go. I failed to mention
> that I also have VOIP Routers in the mix which I use basically as switches
> nothing hooked to them. just going from wan side to dlink router on the wired
> switch side. Anyway I unhooked them and voila it worked. I checked linksys to
> see if they have updated firmware, but the firmware is only updated through
> my VOIP provider. I checked with them and they are in the works on getting
> them vista compliant (lets hope). I want to thank every one for their help,
> it looks like I am going to have to wait until the new firmware comes out for
> the mapping to work right. Thanks again and I will return if I have any other
> problems I can't resolve.
>
> "Sripresanna [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > I would like to work with you to diagnose and identify the problem. There
> > are a couple of things we could try.
> >
> > - With the switch and the printers connected to it unplugged, can you also
> > disconnect the XP machines and see if the map opens up on the Vista machines?
> > This would help us know if the LLTD responders on the XP are causing the
> > issue.
> >
> > - Since we already eliminated the switch as the source of the problem, we
> > can try removing the Router. The model of the Router with the firmware
> > version you mentioned, should be compatible with Vista. But yet, would you
> > try connecting all the 4 machines (of course if the wireless machines have a
> > wired adapter) to the switch, give them all static IP addresses say
> > 169.254.1.x and see if the map opens on the Vista Ultimate/Premium machine?
> > This would help us know if the router is causing the problem.
> >
> > - As a last resort, we need to enable some tracing and get the logs. For
> > this we need to run the following and get the *.etl files. Would you please
> > share with me your email id so I can send you these files?
> >
> > In your original setup (with the switch and the router) copy the 3 files
> > attached to a folder in the Vista machine. From that folder from command
> > prompt run the following commands one by one
> > lltdtrace.cmd start lltd
> > maptrace.cmd start map
> >
> > Now open the map on the same machine. Wait for a few seconds (say 20) and
> > close the map.
> > Again from command prompt run the following commands from the same folder
> > lltdtrace.cmd stop lltd
> > maptrace.cmd stop map
> > In the same folder you will find 4 *.etl files.
> > Please send me these files, we can work offline to share the files to
> > diagnose the problem
> >
> > As per Microsoft policy I need to let you know that the sharing of these
> > logs (*.etl) may include some PII (Personal Identifican Information); but
> > this information will only be used to diagnose and resolve the problem.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sri
> >
> > "scottpen" wrote:
> >
> > > 1. I unhooked and unplugged switch from still router still same issue.
> > > 2. Viewing from wired Vista ultimate computer.
> > >
> > > "Sen [MSFT]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1. Offhand, can you please unplug the linksys switch from router (i.e.
> > > > disconnect printers and switch from the home network) and see if it helps?
> > > > Obviously, this is only a stop-gap measure to narrow down issues.
> > > > 2. Also, are you attempting open network map from a machine that is
> > > > connected over wire or wirelessly?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Sen.
> > > >
> > > > "scottpen" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 1. My router is a Dlink Dir-655 w/firmware 1.02
> > > > > 2. Wired is connected directly wireless connects wirelessly and I have a
> > > > > linksys 5 port switch which goes to printers on the network.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sen [MSFT]" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Can you please provide information about your wireless router? (brand,
> > > > > > model, firmware version).
> > > > > > 2. I suppose your wired computers are directly connected to this router
> > > > > > while wireless computers connect wirelessly to this router. Do you have any
> > > > > > other hardware (like bridges, switches, hubs)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Sen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "scottpen" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Windows can not create the map. Responses from other devices on the network
> > > > > > > are delayed or there is an incompatible router on the network.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "DC187" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hmm, don't think it could be as I have disabled the Windows firewall and
> > > > > > > > ISA Server allows full internal LAN access...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > DC187
> > > > > > > >

I have a similar issue with vista. I have 5 pcs on a hard network and a new
laptop with vista accessing a wireless hub. I can get to the internet fine,
but it doesn't SEE the other PCs on the network. The only way my laptop can
see the pcs on the network and visa versa is I have to plug a network cable
into the laptop.

"Sen [MSFT]" wrote:

> Scott/DC187,
> 1. Can you please provide the complete error message?
> 2. Please check help for network map and see if it helps. (Help button on
> top-right corner of network map window)
>
> Windows or 3rd party firewalls do not affect Link-layer Topology Discovery
> (LLTD) protocol (one of the protocols used by Network Map).
>
> Thanks,
> Sen.
>
> "scottpen" wrote:
>
> > I have two Vistas one premium, one ultimate and 2 Xp's. I did install the
> > Link-Layer on the 2 XP's and it did not change anything still can't view full
> > map. Also the premium can't view full map either. Is there a firewall issue?
> > the only firewall I am running is windows firewall besides my routers
> > firewall. Windows firewall has an exception for network discovery checked.
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > "Buellpilot" wrote:
> >
> > > What OS are the other computers running?
> > >
> > > If they are XP have you installed Link-Layer Topology on them?
> > >
> > > "scottpen" <scottpen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1865998E-29EF-4CC7-9491-210E71CB8DB3@microsoft.com...
> > > >I have just a simple Home network Cable modem, router two wireless
> > > >computers
> > > > and two wired computers. It is baffling me.
> > > >
> > > > "DC187" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I have the same problem, I just assumed it's because my machine connects
> > > >> through ISA Server 2006.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> DC187
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >

wittman,
1. Can you please confirm that you don't see your XP PCs in Network Map
unless Vista is connected through ethernet cable?
2. What is the error message displayed in Network Map when Vista is
connected wirelessly?

Thanks,
Sen.


"wittman" wrote:

> I have a similar issue with vista. I have 5 pcs on a hard network and a new
> laptop with vista accessing a wireless hub. I can get to the internet fine,
> but it doesn't SEE the other PCs on the network. The only way my laptop can
> see the pcs on the network and visa versa is I have to plug a network cable
> into the laptop.
>
> "Sen [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > Scott/DC187,
> > 1. Can you please provide the complete error message?
> > 2. Please check help for network map and see if it helps. (Help button on
> > top-right corner of network map window)
> >
> > Windows or 3rd party firewalls do not affect Link-layer Topology Discovery
> > (LLTD) protocol (one of the protocols used by Network Map).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sen.
> >
> > "scottpen" wrote:
> >
> > > I have two Vistas one premium, one ultimate and 2 Xp's. I did install the
> > > Link-Layer on the 2 XP's and it did not change anything still can't view full
> > > map. Also the premium can't view full map either. Is there a firewall issue?
> > > the only firewall I am running is windows firewall besides my routers
> > > firewall. Windows firewall has an exception for network discovery checked.
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > "Buellpilot" wrote:
> > >
> > > > What OS are the other computers running?
> > > >
> > > > If they are XP have you installed Link-Layer Topology on them?
> > > >
> > > > "scottpen" <scottpen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1865998E-29EF-4CC7-9491-210E71CB8DB3@microsoft.com...
> > > > >I have just a simple Home network Cable modem, router two wireless
> > > > >computers
> > > > > and two wired computers. It is baffling me.
> > > > >
> > > > > "DC187" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have the same problem, I just assumed it's because my machine connects
> > > > >> through ISA Server 2006.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> DC187
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

"scottpen" wrote:

> I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
> can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
> network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is on.
> Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
> Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
> advance for your quick reply

I'm having a very similar problem. I believe I have everything set up right.
I have network discovery on and I'm on a private network but when I click
view full map it gives me the message "Windows cannot create a network map
for the selected type of network connection." Any ideas?

"scottpen" wrote:

> I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
> can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
> network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is on.
> Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
> Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
> advance for your quick reply

Easy fix: you need to install the Link Layer Topology Discovery on all XP
machines.

D


"phoward131" <phoward131@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "scottpen" wrote:
>
>> I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
>> can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
>> network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is
>> on.
>> Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
>> Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
>> advance for your quick reply

"scottpen" wrote:

> I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
> can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
> network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is on.
> Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
> Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
> advance for your quick reply

I had this very same problem and what caused the problem in my case was I had
installed the latest nvidia ethernet driver (v65.55). As soon as I rolled
back to the driver Ethernet driver that Vista installed during installation,
all was fine again and I could draw a full network map.

Just found this post so I hope this is not too late and of some help :)

"scottpen" wrote:

> I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
> can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
> network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is on.
> Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
> Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
> advance for your quick reply

I had this same problem and the issue was caused by nvidia Ethernet Driver.
I had installed the latest Nvidia Ethernet Driver (65.55) and as a result
Vista was not able to draw the network. I rolled back to the driver Vista
installed originally and all was again fine. I can draw the full network
map. just fine.

Hope this works for you:)


--
megatonone


"scottpen" wrote:

> I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
> can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
> network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is on.
> Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
> Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
> advance for your quick reply

On 7 Cze, 20:21, megatonone <megatonone...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had this same problem and the issue was caused by nvidia Ethernet Driver.
> I had installed the latest Nvidia Ethernet Driver (65.55) and as a result
> Vista was not able to draw the network. I rolled back to the driver Vista
> installed originally and all was again fine. I can draw the full network
> map. just fine.

I changed "Priority & VLAN" (it is on the Advanced tab of the "nForce
Networking Controller Properties") to "Priority & VLAN disabled"
and ... voila! I can still use driver 65.55 and I have the network
map :-)

--
Rafa Fitt

Rafa...Thanks very much for posting back with a solution.

Have you noticed any other effects from disabling "Priority & VLAN"?

I'll try it on my Vista machine and see how it works.

Thanks again for the feedback :)
--
megatonone


"Rafa Fitt" wrote:

> On 7 Cze, 20:21, megatonone <megatonone...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I had this same problem and the issue was caused by nvidia Ethernet Driver.
> > I had installed the latest Nvidia Ethernet Driver (65.55) and as a result
> > Vista was not able to draw the network. I rolled back to the driver Vista
> > installed originally and all was again fine. I can draw the full network
> > map. just fine.
>
> I changed "Priority & VLAN" (it is on the Advanced tab of the "nForce
> Networking Controller Properties") to "Priority & VLAN disabled"
> and ... voila! I can still use driver 65.55 and I have the network
> map :-)
>
> --
> Rafa Fitt
>
>

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:00:59 -0700, Rafa Fitt <rafalfitt@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 7 Cze, 20:21, megatonone <megatonone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had this same problem and the issue was caused by nvidia Ethernet Driver.
>> I had installed the latest Nvidia Ethernet Driver (65.55) and as a result
>> Vista was not able to draw the network. I rolled back to the driver Vista
>> installed originally and all was again fine. I can draw the full network
>> map. just fine.
>
>I changed "Priority & VLAN" (it is on the Advanced tab of the "nForce
>Networking Controller Properties") to "Priority & VLAN disabled"
>and ... voila! I can still use driver 65.55 and I have the network
>map :-)

I have driver 65.5.5.0 and just changed that setting you suggested.
Now when I try to draw a network map I get the message:

"Network mapping is disabled by default on domain networks. Your
network administrator can use Group Policy to enable mapping."

Chris

[maddog12345]

I recently upgraded to version 67.5.8.0 of the nForce Ethernet drivers and lost the ability to view a network map. After following the instructions above to change the Priority & VLAN settings to disabled, I received the same group policy message 'Network mapping is disabled by default on domain networks.'

To correct, I enabled the group policy: Local Computer Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Network -> Link-Layer Topology Discovery -> Turn on Mapper I/O (LLTDIO) driver” and enable the “Allow operation while in domain” option.

Detailed instructions can be found here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/wndp/archive/2..._5F00_map.aspx

The mapping worked when I first installed Vista using the old nForce Ethernet drivers but after any upgrade in driver level, the ability to show a network map stopped working. With this fix, everything works fine!

In short:

1) Device Manager, Network Adapters, NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller, (right-click) Properities, Advanced, and changed Priority & VLAN to 'disabled'.
2) Group Policy Editor (START / RUN... / gpedit.msc), Local Computer Policy,> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Network -> Link-Layer Topology Discovery -> Turn on Mapper I/O (LLTDIO) driver” and enable the “Allow operation while in domain” option. (If not in domain, then choose the other options if required...)

Cheers,
Daniel

[hshlevin]

I had similar problems... the 2006 LLDP responder file did not work with SP3. I found on Microsoft TechNet a hotfix which works with XP Pro SP3... Installed it and now my XP machine shows on the Vista network map...

Yeah ! Should not be so hard however....

Sorry... here is the link (http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Window...U_i386_zip.exe) You may have to request this from msoft as they send it password protected

Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

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> I had similar problems... the 2006 LLDP responder file did not work with
> SP3. I found on Microsoft TechNet a hotfix which works with XP Pro
> SP3... Installed it and now my XP machine shows on the Vista network
> map...
>
> Yeah ! Should not be so hard however....
>
> Sorry... here is the link
> (http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Window...U_i386_zip.exe)
> You may have to request this from msoft as they send it password
> protected
>
>
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