Vista Business unable to Join a Domain...

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When joining the domain are you using the NETBIOS name or the FQDN? It
really sounds to me like a name resolution problem or the Vista machine is
looking at a DNS server that doesn't have the correct SRV records. I don't
think it has anything to do with the numerical suffix but I could be wrong.
There are much better AD troubleshooters that hang out in the server
newsgroups.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Ecopoxy" <Ecopoxy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31B33790-D074-489C-8810-6F2BA6D77528@microsoft.com...
>I think I am getting closer...
>
> I managed to get a virtual copy of Vista to join the SBS2003 AD Domain at
> home. When I looked at the DNS hostnames, the .local extension had not
> been
> created, only domainname.local. Once I created the local hostname, and
> allowed the dynamic update, Vista connected immediately. When I tried
> this
> on the production environment, it still did not work. The difference in
> the
> production environment is that the DNS hostname is domainname.01. We did
> this initially so we could use .02, .03 etc.
>
> This is the only thing that I can see that may be causing the problem as
> Vista is giving the following error;
>
> Note: This information is intended for a network administrator. If you
> are
> not your network's administrator, notify the administrator that you
> received
> this information, which has been recorded in the file
> C:\Windows\debug\dcdiag.txt.
>
> An error occurred when DNS was queried for the service location (SRV)
> resource record used to locate an Active Directory Domain Controller for
> domain hq.illawarra.01.
>
> The error was: "The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is
> incorrect."
> (error code 0x0000007B ERROR_INVALID_NAME)
>
> The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.hq.illawarra.01
>
> For more information, click Help.
>
> I guess the next question then is...is a numeric suffix allowed in a DNS
> hostname, and if not how do we change the domain name. RENDOM can not be
> done from the DC and unless I use one of the Virtual Servers running other
> services, we can't rename the domain without adding another physical
> server.
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>> I think that will prove that something is wrong with the Vista
>> configuration
>> :-)
>>
>> Vista can join a domain. I have done it many times during the beta
>> testing
>> of Vista. With the RTM I've only done it a couple of times but didn't
>> have
>> any problems. Your testing scenario is worth a shot. Keep everything as
>> simple as you can. Once you get it working start adding in things to try
>> and
>> duplicate your network in the test environment. Virtual server is very
>> helpful. It can be slow but it allows you to sort of duplicate your
>> working
>> environment with multiple servers. I use one computer for virtual servers
>> and another for virtual workstations. You can simulate a reasonable
>> network
>> with two machines. I wouldn't bother testing the upgrade. I always prefer
>> a
>> clean install to an upgrade, especially in a network environment. I
>> wouldn't
>> attempt to upgrade a bunch of network clients to Vista. I would learn how
>> to
>> use Vista in your environment and deploy it on new computers, leaving the
>> existing workstations as they are until they are replaced or you have an
>> application that needs Vista.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> "Ecopoxy" <Ecopoxy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:850F74AB-DEF3-4EB6-9832-02B20444CE49@microsoft.com...
>> > Sorry, I did check that...doesn't work. When you attempt to use the
>> > CHANGE
>> > button, Vista like XP askes for credentials and the domain name that
>> > you
>> > want
>> > to authenticate thru. Still comes up and gives the DNS error.
>> >
>> > The only thing left that I can try is to install an eval. copy of 2003
>> > onto
>> > a spare machine, set up DNS and DHCP for a dummy domain, wipe the Vista
>> > box
>> > and install XP pro. Prove it connects OK. Install Vista on the same
>> > box
>> > with dual boot and see what happens. Then if necessary upgrade the XP
>> > OS
>> > to
>> > Vista with the upgrade function.
>> >
>> > What do you think...
>> >
>> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >
>> >> It does sound like a DNS problem from the error. You didn't answer the
>> >> question though. When asked for the domain administrator credentials
>> >> did
>> >> you
>> >> use the format "domain_name\user_name"? I'm pretty sure by default
>> >> Vista
>> >> authenticates with "computer_name\user_name" if you don't specify the
>> >> domain
>> >> name.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Ecopoxy" <Ecopoxy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C65B33D1-0DE7-45C0-8DCE-08BA0A959772@microsoft.com...
>> >> > That's true, but it does not appear to affect the system if the non
>> >> > AD
>> >> > DNS
>> >> > server is there or not. I ahve tried it with a virgin XP Pro
>> >> > install
>> >> > and
>> >> > it
>> >> > works with and without, but with the Vista install, it won't work
>> >> > either
>> >> > way.
>> >> >
>> >> > Using "My Computer/Properties/Computer Name" there are two methods
>> >> > to
>> >> > join
>> >> > a
>> >> > domain. Network ID or Change. I have been using Network ID for
>> >> > Vista
>> >> > whenI
>> >> > have been getting the error. This time I tried Change and now get
>> >> > the
>> >> > following error;
>> >> >
>> >> > An error occurred when DNS was queried for the service location
>> >> > (SRV)
>> >> > resource record used to locate an Active Directory Domain Controller
>> >> > for
>> >> > domain hq.illawarra.01.
>> >> >
>> >> > The error was: "The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax
>> >> > is
>> >> > incorrect."
>> >> > (error code 0x0000007B ERROR_INVALID_NAME)
>> >> >
>> >> > The query was for the SRV record for
>> >> > _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.hq.illawarra.01
>> >> >
>> >> > For more information, click Help.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now this is where it gets more confusing... I checked the
>> >> > msdcs.hq.illawarra.01 entries for ldap._tcp.dc._ and they are
>> >> > pointing
>> >> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> > only DNS Server running on the network at the moment. When you do
>> >> > nslookup
>> >> > from the vista box for the domain, you get the following result...
>> >> >
>> >> > C:\Users\SysAd>nslookup hq.illawarra.01
>> >> > Server: pm06-p3server.hq.illawarra.01
>> >> > Address: 192.168.1.9:53
>> >> >
>> >> > Name: hq.illawarra.01
>> >> > Address: 192.168.1.9
>> >> >
>> >> > So Vista finds the server and thereofre knows the domain name
>> >> > through
>> >> > nslookup, can use the 192.168.1.9 DNS server to resolve names on the
>> >> > domain,but then decides that it can't find a DNS server when it
>> >> > wants
>> >> > to
>> >> > join
>> >> > a domain.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm stuffed if I know. The only thing out of the ordinary is that
>> >> > nslookup
>> >> > on Vista is using Port 53 whereas nslookup on XP does not identify
>> >> > the
>> >> > port
>> >> > that it is using. That is the only difference I can see.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Having a non AD DNS server involved anywhere can always cause
>> >> >> problems
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> AD. The correct way to run AD is to have all the computers
>> >> >> including
>> >> >> servers
>> >> >> in the domain point to only AD DNS servers. The AD DNS server
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> set
>> >> >> up to forward requests it can't resolve.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't know what the problem is in your case. I have joined Vista
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> several domains with no problems. The only thing I can think of is
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> permissions problem. Are you specifying the domain administrator in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> format "domain_name\user_name"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Ecopoxy" <Ecopoxy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:C88280E8-6ED1-4ABB-8D3C-827E3D8353C3@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > .1 is the broadband modem/router. It does not matter if it is
>> >> >> > specified
>> >> >> > as a
>> >> >> > dns server or not.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Working XP Client info...(this machine)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > C:\Documents and Settings\SysAd>ipconfig /all
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : mandir
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : hq.illawarra.01
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hq.illawarra.01
>> >> >> > illawarra.01
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x
>> >> >> > Family
>> >> >> > Fast
>> >> >> > Ethernet NIC
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-4C-CB-64-FC
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.15
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.9
>> >> >> > 192.168.1.1
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I had exactly the same problem last night trying to join a
>> >> >> > virtual
>> >> >> > vista
>> >> >> > box
>> >> >> > to my SBS2003 AD Domain at home.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I also notice there is another post regarding a very similiar
>> >> >> > problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> What is 192.168.1.1? Is it a router. It shows up as the gateway
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> results but as a DNS server in only one result.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Ecopoxy" <Ecopoxy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:0CF45E39-C84F-426C-B3E4-E6AA830D1341@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Kerry,
>> >> >> >> > The .10 machine was the old DC that died a few weeks ago.
>> >> >> >> > Before
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > died
>> >> >> >> > we
>> >> >> >> > promoted .9 to a DC and replicated AD etc. The DNS records
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > .10
>> >> >> >> > were
>> >> >> >> > still in .9's DNS. I cleared all reference to .10 after I saw
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > above
>> >> >> >> > result in case it was causing the problem, but alas no it
>> >> >> >> > wasn't.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I will send the XP info when I am back in the office tomorrow.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > In the meantime, I am going to install a virtual copy of Vista
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > laptop
>> >> >> >> > at home and try to connect to the SBS2003 Premium AD Domain I
>> >> >> >> > have
>> >> >> >> > running
>> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> > home. Will advise how this goes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> I can't see anything obviously wrong there. I have a question
>> >> >> >> >> though.
>> >> >> >> >> Why
>> >> >> >> >> the two different results for pm06-p3server? In the first
>> >> >> >> >> results
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> two DNS servers 192,168.1.10 and 192.168.1.9 In the second
>> >> >> >> >> results
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> shows
>> >> >> >> >> 192.168.1.9 and 192.168.1.1. Can you post ipconfig /all from
>> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> working
>> >> >> >> >> XP
>> >> >> >> >> workstation?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> >> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Ecopoxy" <Ecopoxy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> message
>> >> >> >> >> news:870CBAD5-F0E5-42BE-B363-E412CCE3EED8@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > This is the Vista Box...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : PM01-P4ManDir
>> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8169/8110
>> >> >> >> >> > Family
>> >> >> >> >> > PCI
>> >> >> >> >> > Gigabit E
>> >> >> >> >> > thernet NIC (NDIS 6.0)
>> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-4C-1C-01-35
>> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> >> >> > IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> >> >> > 192.168.1.13(Preferred)
>> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, 22 February
>> >> >> >> >> > 2007
>> >> >> >> >> > 10:13:04
>> >> >> >> >> > AM
>> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, 22 February
>> >> >> >> >> > 2007
>> >> >> >> >> > 4:21:34
>> >> >> >> >> > PM
>> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.9
>> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.9
>> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> >> >> > isatap.{120B1D6A-F4BE-445B-BD40-E81D709FA
>> >> >> >> >> > 5A2}
>> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> >> >> > 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
>> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> >> >> > Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:32:40 -0800, Ecopoxy wrote:

> .1 is the broadband modem/router. It does not matter if it is specified as a
> dns server or not.
>
> Working XP Client info...(this machine)
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\SysAd>ipconfig /all
>
> Windows IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : mandir
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : hq.illawarra.01
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hq.illawarra.01
> illawarra.01
>
> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
> Ethernet NIC
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-4C-CB-64-FC
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.15
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.9
> 192.168.1.1
>
> I had exactly the same problem last night trying to join a virtual vista box
> to my SBS2003 AD Domain at home.
>
> I also notice there is another post regarding a very similiar problem.

You NEVER put the router/public DNS as a DNS point. The DHCP on a SBS 2003
server will always setup your DHCP properly if you use the wizards, so
you've had to manually put the 192.168.1.1 in it.

I'm assuming that your SBS box is 192.168.1.9, that's the ONLY DNS entry
you should have in your DHCP Service scope and should be the only one your
clients see.

--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:32:40 -0800, Ecopoxy wrote:

> .1 is the broadband modem/router. It does not matter if it is specified as a
> dns server or not.
>
> Working XP Client info...(this machine)
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\SysAd>ipconfig /all
>
> Windows IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : mandir
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : hq.illawarra.01
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hq.illawarra.01
> illawarra.01
>
> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
> Ethernet NIC
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-4C-CB-64-FC
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.15
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.9
> 192.168.1.1
>
> I had exactly the same problem last night trying to join a virtual vista box
> to my SBS2003 AD Domain at home.
>
> I also notice there is another post regarding a very similiar problem.

You NEVER put the router/public DNS as a DNS point. The DHCP on a SBS 2003
server will always setup your DHCP properly if you use the wizards, so
you've had to manually put the 192.168.1.1 in it.

I'm assuming that your SBS box is 192.168.1.9, that's the ONLY DNS entry
you should have in your DHCP Service scope and should be the only one your
clients see.

--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)