Why Can't I Print With Vista Machine on My Network????

Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
frustrated.

Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
-connect.

then I'm able to print from the xp machine.

Hope this helps.

"Dreanmachine" wrote:

> Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> frustrated.

My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!

"AP123" wrote:

> Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> -connect.
>
> then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> "Dreanmachine" wrote:
>
> > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > frustrated.

Dreanmachine,

Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx

Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
situation.

Thanks

"Dreanmachine" wrote:

> My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
>
> "AP123" wrote:
>
> > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > -connect.
> >
> > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> >
> > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > frustrated.

Been there and done that - nope!

"Kim [MS]" wrote:

> Dreanmachine,
>
> Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
>
> Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> situation.
>
> Thanks
>
> "Dreanmachine" wrote:
>
> > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> >
> > "AP123" wrote:
> >
> > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > -connect.
> > >
> > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > frustrated.

I am sorry if this post is a duplicated but I cannot see my network printers
(XP) with my new Vista Premium laptop. I connected to the wireless network
ok but no printers even after disabling Norton. I followed all the
requirements in the article you mentioned below. Can you assist me.
Thanks
"Kim [MS]" wrote:

> Dreanmachine,
>
> Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
>
> Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> situation.
>
> Thanks
>
> "Dreanmachine" wrote:
>
> > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> >
> > "AP123" wrote:
> >
> > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > -connect.
> > >
> > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > frustrated.

http://vistafix.blogspot.com/2006/12...specified.html

"phredpalm" wrote:

> I am sorry if this post is a duplicated but I cannot see my network printers
> (XP) with my new Vista Premium laptop. I connected to the wireless network
> ok but no printers even after disabling Norton. I followed all the
> requirements in the article you mentioned below. Can you assist me.
> Thanks
> "Kim [MS]" wrote:
>
> > Dreanmachine,
> >
> > Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> > you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> > article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
> >
> > Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> > situation.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> >
> > > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > "AP123" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > > -connect.
> > > >
> > > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > > frustrated.

Thanks for the feedback however it didnt help. My UAC had been on so I
disabled it and looked for the two printers...no luck. I can ping each
computers ip address and connect to the internet but no
printers..........Helllllp! Thanks again

"Scot B." wrote:

> http://vistafix.blogspot.com/2006/12...specified.html
>
> "phredpalm" wrote:
>
> > I am sorry if this post is a duplicated but I cannot see my network printers
> > (XP) with my new Vista Premium laptop. I connected to the wireless network
> > ok but no printers even after disabling Norton. I followed all the
> > requirements in the article you mentioned below. Can you assist me.
> > Thanks
> > "Kim [MS]" wrote:
> >
> > > Dreanmachine,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> > > you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> > > article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
> > >
> > > Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > >
> > > > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > > > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > > > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > > > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > > > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > > > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > > > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > "AP123" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > > > -connect.
> > > > >
> > > > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > > > frustrated.

Well, messing around I solved my Windows Vista networking Print problem. I
post this in case anybody else with an older HP printer (or any printer
actually) is having problems allowing Windows Vista network printing. The
HP-developed Officejet G series driver for the G55/G85 printers I have
attached to my Windows XP PCs appears to be the culprit. In goofing around,
when I brought up the properties of the printers (on the XP machines) and
then selected a new driver (from the advanced tab) using the Windows XP
selection under HP printers (I selected HP Officejet G85), the Windows Vista
PC on the network was able to get a print out on the Window XP printers
(finally). However, by selecting this driver, I no longer had the advanced
capabilities that were offered by the original printer supplied driver
offered from HP. So here is what I did to get another printer working for
just the Windows Vista machine (via the add printer function). On the XP
machines I added printer. In the wizard, I first selected a ‘local’ printer
(not network) and instead of assigning it LPT1 (comes up as a default
selection), I did a port review with the down arrow and then selected the DOT
4 (where the real system default printer gets assigned as the local/network
printer). Then I went through the rest of the wizard, did a share on the
network selection and named the printer (Vista Printer). I did not allow it
to be selected as my default. Now, when the wizard finished, I did a test
page and it came out just sweet on the WXP PCs. I then went to the Vista
machine, did an add printer action and found the new shared printer on the
home network that I just created on the WXP machines. I did a test of the
print and wa-la, it printed like a champ from Windows Vista to the WXP
attached printer.

"phredpalm" wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback however it didnt help. My UAC had been on so I
> disabled it and looked for the two printers...no luck. I can ping each
> computers ip address and connect to the internet but no
> printers..........Helllllp! Thanks again
>
> "Scot B." wrote:
>
> > http://vistafix.blogspot.com/2006/12...specified.html
> >
> > "phredpalm" wrote:
> >
> > > I am sorry if this post is a duplicated but I cannot see my network printers
> > > (XP) with my new Vista Premium laptop. I connected to the wireless network
> > > ok but no printers even after disabling Norton. I followed all the
> > > requirements in the article you mentioned below. Can you assist me.
> > > Thanks
> > > "Kim [MS]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dreanmachine,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> > > > you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> > > > article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
> > > >
> > > > Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> > > > situation.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > > > > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > > > > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > > > > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > > > > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > > > > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > > > > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > "AP123" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > > > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > > > > -connect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > > > > frustrated.

This was right on and glad I found this (after 4 hours of being frustrated).
I added the printer but made sure I was updated on the latest driver first.
When it gets to the screen that says "add printer software" just select your
mfg and printer and then click next. Don't click "windows update" or "have
disk". Worked like a charm.....

"Dreanmachine" wrote:

> Well, messing around I solved my Windows Vista networking Print problem. I
> post this in case anybody else with an older HP printer (or any printer
> actually) is having problems allowing Windows Vista network printing. The
> HP-developed Officejet G series driver for the G55/G85 printers I have
> attached to my Windows XP PCs appears to be the culprit. In goofing around,
> when I brought up the properties of the printers (on the XP machines) and
> then selected a new driver (from the advanced tab) using the Windows XP
> selection under HP printers (I selected HP Officejet G85), the Windows Vista
> PC on the network was able to get a print out on the Window XP printers
> (finally). However, by selecting this driver, I no longer had the advanced
> capabilities that were offered by the original printer supplied driver
> offered from HP. So here is what I did to get another printer working for
> just the Windows Vista machine (via the add printer function). On the XP
> machines I added printer. In the wizard, I first selected a ‘local’ printer
> (not network) and instead of assigning it LPT1 (comes up as a default
> selection), I did a port review with the down arrow and then selected the DOT
> 4 (where the real system default printer gets assigned as the local/network
> printer). Then I went through the rest of the wizard, did a share on the
> network selection and named the printer (Vista Printer). I did not allow it
> to be selected as my default. Now, when the wizard finished, I did a test
> page and it came out just sweet on the WXP PCs. I then went to the Vista
> machine, did an add printer action and found the new shared printer on the
> home network that I just created on the WXP machines. I did a test of the
> print and wa-la, it printed like a champ from Windows Vista to the WXP
> attached printer.
>
> "phredpalm" wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the feedback however it didnt help. My UAC had been on so I
> > disabled it and looked for the two printers...no luck. I can ping each
> > computers ip address and connect to the internet but no
> > printers..........Helllllp! Thanks again
> >
> > "Scot B." wrote:
> >
> > > http://vistafix.blogspot.com/2006/12...specified.html
> > >
> > > "phredpalm" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am sorry if this post is a duplicated but I cannot see my network printers
> > > > (XP) with my new Vista Premium laptop. I connected to the wireless network
> > > > ok but no printers even after disabling Norton. I followed all the
> > > > requirements in the article you mentioned below. Can you assist me.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > "Kim [MS]" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dreanmachine,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> > > > > you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> > > > > article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> > > > > situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > > > > > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > > > > > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > > > > > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > > > > > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > > > > > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > > > > > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "AP123" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > > > > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > > > > > -connect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > > > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > > > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > > > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > > > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > > > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > > > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > > > > > frustrated.

Kim I am have the same type of problem as Dreanmachine. And I have been to
that link and try it all step by step....and still not luck. and cant find
anyone that can help

"Kim [MS]" wrote:

> Dreanmachine,
>
> Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
>
> Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> situation.
>
> Thanks
>
> "Dreanmachine" wrote:
>
> > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> >
> > "AP123" wrote:
> >
> > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > -connect.
> > >
> > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > frustrated.

wow this is spooky, i am having the same problem and I have try every thing too

"phredpalm" wrote:

> I am sorry if this post is a duplicated but I cannot see my network printers
> (XP) with my new Vista Premium laptop. I connected to the wireless network
> ok but no printers even after disabling Norton. I followed all the
> requirements in the article you mentioned below. Can you assist me.
> Thanks
> "Kim [MS]" wrote:
>
> > Dreanmachine,
> >
> > Thanks for your post. I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. I'm sure
> > you've already done all this, but just to be sure, please review this TechNet
> > article on Printer and File Sharing in Windows Vista:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
> >
> > Let us know if the steps contained in that document don't resolve your
> > situation.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> >
> > > My problem is the opposite. My two XP machines have the printers attached to
> > > them locally. I have networked the printers to share. Both XP machines can
> > > print across the network just fine (always have). When I added my Vista PC
> > > to the mix, the two HP printers are seen just fine on the Vista machine (I
> > > have no local printer attached to the Vista machine), but any prints go into
> > > la-la land. No errors manifest, but just no paper out of eitther printer.
> > > What's up with this. There has to be some hint here. Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > "AP123" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Under Netwking and Sharing Center, mine says "password required" - so I have
> > > > to go to the network from my xp machine, find the printer - right click
> > > > -connect.
> > > >
> > > > then I'm able to print from the xp machine.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > "Dreanmachine" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Two machines running WXP Home. Got new PC (third) running Vista Premium.
> > > > > All networked successfully. I have two HP Officejet G55/85 Printers on the
> > > > > network. The printers are seen just fine by the Vista machine on the
> > > > > network. I can attempt to print (test pages and such) and they go through
> > > > > with no errors (it appears). However, there is never a print at the two
> > > > > printers (nada). The WXP machines work fine for printing on the network.
> > > > > What might be wrong here? Any help would be appreciated. I am a bit
> > > > > frustrated.