Access denied: Is there a trick to connecting to an XP SP3 share from Vista?

I've tried everything I know and can find to solve this problem, but at this
point I have to think this is either something too subtle or too obvious for
me to see.

Did something change in the XP SP3 security model relative to Vista?

I have these machines: Vista SP1, XP SP2, XP SP3 (new, clean install,
updated).

I can connect Vista to shares on SP2 all day with no problem.

I cannot connect Vista to any shares on SP3 ever, including "SharedDocs" or
any that I create -- the very same shares I *can* connect to easily using
SP2. Access is always denied using Vista, though.

** This tells me that something needs to be adjusted in Vista to deal with
SP3, but I have no idea what. **

I've tried simple file sharing and not.

I've tried using passwords and not (and when "not," I did disable "Limit
local account use of blank passwords to console logon only").

I've made very sure of my usernames and passwords and entered them correctly
in Map Network Drive (don't forget, I can connect from SP2 just fine,
indicating that both the shares and my credentials are good).

I've double-checked folder share permissions and explicitly added the
appropriate accounts to the lists.

I've even tried matching the logged-in accounts between Vista and SP3 so
that I'm using the same username/password on each.

The Windows firewall is disabled, even though it doesn't need to be (for one
thing, by default it allows file sharing access, and for another thing,
connecting with SP2 through the SP3 firewall works fine).

It's a new install, so there is no 3rd-party anything on it.

This is all wired Fast Ethernet, nothing exotic.

Thanks

Do a simple test. Can you ping the Vista from XP sp3 using IP? If yes, do
you receive any system error if using net view \\vistaipaddress?

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"Milhouse Van Houten" <btvs@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> I've tried everything I know and can find to solve this problem, but at
> this point I have to think this is either something too subtle or too
> obvious for me to see.
>
> Did something change in the XP SP3 security model relative to Vista?
>
> I have these machines: Vista SP1, XP SP2, XP SP3 (new, clean install,
> updated).
>
> I can connect Vista to shares on SP2 all day with no problem.
>
> I cannot connect Vista to any shares on SP3 ever, including "SharedDocs"
> or any that I create -- the very same shares I *can* connect to easily
> using SP2. Access is always denied using Vista, though.
>
> ** This tells me that something needs to be adjusted in Vista to deal with
> SP3, but I have no idea what. **
>
> I've tried simple file sharing and not.
>
> I've tried using passwords and not (and when "not," I did disable "Limit
> local account use of blank passwords to console logon only").
>
> I've made very sure of my usernames and passwords and entered them
> correctly in Map Network Drive (don't forget, I can connect from SP2 just
> fine, indicating that both the shares and my credentials are good).
>
> I've double-checked folder share permissions and explicitly added the
> appropriate accounts to the lists.
>
> I've even tried matching the logged-in accounts between Vista and SP3 so
> that I'm using the same username/password on each.
>
> The Windows firewall is disabled, even though it doesn't need to be (for
> one thing, by default it allows file sharing access, and for another
> thing, connecting with SP2 through the SP3 firewall works fine).
>
> It's a new install, so there is no 3rd-party anything on it.
>
> This is all wired Fast Ethernet, nothing exotic.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

Hi,

I think you meant the other way around: ping SP3 from Vista (Vista is the
connecting machine, SP3 is the machine with the shares I'm trying to connect
to). And the answer is yes to the pings (both ways) but no to net view of
SP3. Access denied. At least it's consistent.

BTW, as expected, a net view of SP2 works fine, showing the available
shares.

If there is any difference between the way SP2 and SP3 are configured, I
have not found it.

"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" <findemail@chicagotech.net> wrote in message
news:#jqAshAXJHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Do a simple test. Can you ping the Vista from XP sp3 using IP? If yes, do
> you receive any system error if using net view \\vistaipaddress?
>
> --
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
> http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
> http://www.HowToNetworking.com
> "Milhouse Van Houten" <btvs@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:e$I7Ng%23WJHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I've tried everything I know and can find to solve this problem, but at
>> this point I have to think this is either something too subtle or too
>> obvious for me to see.
>>
>> Did something change in the XP SP3 security model relative to Vista?
>>
>> I have these machines: Vista SP1, XP SP2, XP SP3 (new, clean install,
>> updated).
>>
>> I can connect Vista to shares on SP2 all day with no problem.
>>
>> I cannot connect Vista to any shares on SP3 ever, including "SharedDocs"
>> or any that I create -- the very same shares I *can* connect to easily
>> using SP2. Access is always denied using Vista, though.
>>
>> ** This tells me that something needs to be adjusted in Vista to deal
>> with SP3, but I have no idea what. **
>>
>> I've tried simple file sharing and not.
>>
>> I've tried using passwords and not (and when "not," I did disable "Limit
>> local account use of blank passwords to console logon only").
>>
>> I've made very sure of my usernames and passwords and entered them
>> correctly in Map Network Drive (don't forget, I can connect from SP2 just
>> fine, indicating that both the shares and my credentials are good).
>>
>> I've double-checked folder share permissions and explicitly added the
>> appropriate accounts to the lists.
>>
>> I've even tried matching the logged-in accounts between Vista and SP3 so
>> that I'm using the same username/password on each.
>>
>> The Windows firewall is disabled, even though it doesn't need to be (for
>> one thing, by default it allows file sharing access, and for another
>> thing, connecting with SP2 through the SP3 firewall works fine).
>>
>> It's a new install, so there is no 3rd-party anything on it.
>>
>> This is all wired Fast Ethernet, nothing exotic.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>

Have a read of info below.
And read the part about File Sharing by XP.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.

Permissions/Share info is there as well.

If using Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro I.S., make sure file and printer
sharing is enabled in THEIR firewall (or LAN allowed, depending on how their
Exceptions are worded in their Firewall)

1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
the SAME.

In Vista Network and Sharing:

Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

File Sharing: ON

Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
Docs)

Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, and no
identical usernames/passwords, you will be asked for a username and password
when you try to access a Vista computer from an XP computer, or a Vista
computer.

Also, run the XP’s Home or Small Office Network File and Printer Sharing
Wizard, even if you had an XP Network set up prior to adding a Vista computer
to it(redoing the Wizard seems to work for XP machines!).

In “My Network Places”: “Set up a Home or Small Office Network”
OR under Accessories > Communications > Network Setup Wizard > Allow File
and Printer Sharing.

--
Mad Mike


"Milhouse Van Houten" wrote:

> I've tried everything I know and can find to solve this problem, but at this
> point I have to think this is either something too subtle or too obvious for
> me to see.
>
> Did something change in the XP SP3 security model relative to Vista?
>
> I have these machines: Vista SP1, XP SP2, XP SP3 (new, clean install,
> updated).
>
> I can connect Vista to shares on SP2 all day with no problem.
>
> I cannot connect Vista to any shares on SP3 ever, including "SharedDocs" or
> any that I create -- the very same shares I *can* connect to easily using
> SP2. Access is always denied using Vista, though.
>
> ** This tells me that something needs to be adjusted in Vista to deal with
> SP3, but I have no idea what. **
>
> I've tried simple file sharing and not.
>
> I've tried using passwords and not (and when "not," I did disable "Limit
> local account use of blank passwords to console logon only").
>
> I've made very sure of my usernames and passwords and entered them correctly
> in Map Network Drive (don't forget, I can connect from SP2 just fine,
> indicating that both the shares and my credentials are good).
>
> I've double-checked folder share permissions and explicitly added the
> appropriate accounts to the lists.
>
> I've even tried matching the logged-in accounts between Vista and SP3 so
> that I'm using the same username/password on each.
>
> The Windows firewall is disabled, even though it doesn't need to be (for one
> thing, by default it allows file sharing access, and for another thing,
> connecting with SP2 through the SP3 firewall works fine).
>
> It's a new install, so there is no 3rd-party anything on it.
>
> This is all wired Fast Ethernet, nothing exotic.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

In most cases, net view will give you a system error. if it is 5, this could
be permission issue. if it is 53, this could be firewall issue. If it is
firewall issue, try to start XP sp3 safe mode with network for
troubleshooting.
System Errors
System error 1231 has occurred. The network location cannot be
reached. ... System error 6118 - The list of servers for this workgroup is
not currently ...
www.chicagotech.net/systemerrors.htm


--
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Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Milhouse Van Houten" <btvs@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:%236BFcTBXJHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> I think you meant the other way around: ping SP3 from Vista (Vista is the
> connecting machine, SP3 is the machine with the shares I'm trying to
> connect to). And the answer is yes to the pings (both ways) but no to net
> view of SP3. Access denied. At least it's consistent.
>
> BTW, as expected, a net view of SP2 works fine, showing the available
> shares.
>
> If there is any difference between the way SP2 and SP3 are configured, I
> have not found it.
>
> "Robert L. (MS-MVP)" <findemail@chicagotech.net> wrote in message
> news:#jqAshAXJHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Do a simple test. Can you ping the Vista from XP sp3 using IP? If yes, do
>> you receive any system error if using net view \\vistaipaddress?
>>
>> --
>> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
>> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
>> http://www.ChicagoTech.net
>> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
>> http://www.HowToNetworking.com
>> "Milhouse Van Houten" <btvs@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:e$I7Ng%23WJHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> I've tried everything I know and can find to solve this problem, but at
>>> this point I have to think this is either something too subtle or too
>>> obvious for me to see.
>>>
>>> Did something change in the XP SP3 security model relative to Vista?
>>>
>>> I have these machines: Vista SP1, XP SP2, XP SP3 (new, clean install,
>>> updated).
>>>
>>> I can connect Vista to shares on SP2 all day with no problem.
>>>
>>> I cannot connect Vista to any shares on SP3 ever, including "SharedDocs"
>>> or any that I create -- the very same shares I *can* connect to easily
>>> using SP2. Access is always denied using Vista, though.
>>>
>>> ** This tells me that something needs to be adjusted in Vista to deal
>>> with SP3, but I have no idea what. **
>>>
>>> I've tried simple file sharing and not.
>>>
>>> I've tried using passwords and not (and when "not," I did disable "Limit
>>> local account use of blank passwords to console logon only").
>>>
>>> I've made very sure of my usernames and passwords and entered them
>>> correctly in Map Network Drive (don't forget, I can connect from SP2
>>> just fine, indicating that both the shares and my credentials are good).
>>>
>>> I've double-checked folder share permissions and explicitly added the
>>> appropriate accounts to the lists.
>>>
>>> I've even tried matching the logged-in accounts between Vista and SP3 so
>>> that I'm using the same username/password on each.
>>>
>>> The Windows firewall is disabled, even though it doesn't need to be (for
>>> one thing, by default it allows file sharing access, and for another
>>> thing, connecting with SP2 through the SP3 firewall works fine).
>>>
>>> It's a new install, so there is no 3rd-party anything on it.
>>>
>>> This is all wired Fast Ethernet, nothing exotic.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>