Failed Updates

For the last 3-4 months updates have failed. Suggestions for a fix?
First some info:
WV: 5.1 (Build 2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435: Service Pac 3) Windows XP Home
addition

Here is the current message:

Error Code: 0x645
1) Update to .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 for the .NET Framework
Assistant 1.0 x86 (KB963707)...Failed
2) Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1 Security Update for Windows
2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, and Windows
Server 2008 R2 (KB953297)....Failed
3) Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 Security Update for Windows
2000, Windows Server 2003, and Windows XP (KB974417)....Failed
4) Microsoft Silverlight Update for Microsoft Silverlight (KB974331)... Failed

For Framework -

When you try to install an update for the .NET Framework 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 3.0,
or 3.5, you may receive Windows Update error code "0x643" or Windows
Installer error code "1603"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923100

When installing updates using Windows update or Microsoft Update you may
receive Error 0x643 or 0x80070643
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976982

I, too, have recently encountered two .NET Framework Critical Updates that
fail to instal correctly.

I tried to start a new question but couldn't get that window to open so I
thought this might be a good spot since my problems are similar in nature and
I already read and followed your previous advice to the original poster and
it was very helpful.

The two updates are KB974417 and KB951847. They have repeatedly failed over
the past month. Through a support link on the Update site, I was able to get
few a few emails with Update Support before they turned me over to MS
engineering support. From there, they had me do pretty much the same thing
as was described in your links. I used a cleanup tool to completely remove
all versions of .NET software from this machine and then re-install each one
in the proper order. That worked all the way up until I got to the two
updates in question and I experienced the very same failure to install.

MS engineering Support gave me the wave-off telling me that I didn't need
those updates and even though I could attempt to hide them, I would be faced
with the warnings that I have hidden critcal updates from that point on. Not
a happy solution in my opinion.

So I decided to try again and follow the steps outlined in your links as
closely as possible. I first tried using the Add/Remove Panel to remnove the
..NET software as was described to be the "prefered" method. That removed a
couple versions but two components failed to remove that way. So I used the
latest version of the cleanup tool that I could find and it removed all the
..NET software. Then, I tried that "Windows Install Cleanup Tool" that one of
your links suggested but I couldn't find any remaining .NET software to point
it to so I just exited that.

I did the reboot and I was about to start installing all the .NET stuff
starting with "1.0" and working my way up in order like I did before. This
time I was very careful when I downloaded all the .NET things, renaming them
as "dotnet1a.exe and dotnet1b.exe and then dotnet2a.exe" and so on. But I
forgot to save your post in this newsgroup as a favorite and I wanted to read
it again so I attempted to retrace my steps to find it and that entailed
going through the windows update site. Well, low and behold, when I went to
Windows Update, it said I didn't need ANY Critiacal Updates. No warnings, no
nothing!

So, now, my question, why do I have to install ANY of the .NET Framework
structure?

I know the only way you might be able to answer that is to know a bit more
about my system. And I apoligize up front for being so wordy but I don't know
how else to get help without a ton of cross-communication. So, I'll start
with my specs and then what I use it for.

Genuine Intel D875BZLK w/800 MHz bus speed
OB gigabit LAN & native SATA 150 support
4) 512MB sticks of Corsair Extreme 2.5 CAS RAM
3.2E Prescott Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 3
with Hyper-Threading running at 3192 Mhz.
(2) Hitachi Deskstar 80/8/7500 SATA drives
running in a RAID-0 array
SoundBlaster Audigy-2 ZS Gamer edition
8x AGP Asus V9570 FX5700 128 MB video
DH20A4P optical DVD burner
Win XP Pro SP3 w/IE 7 & Visual Studio 6.0

I built this machine for the sole intent to be able to take all my old VHS
tapes and transfer them to DVDs. I wanted a machine that colud process video
faster than it could play and this thing does it quite well. I don't like
Windows deciding to download and install updates in the midst of my burning a
DVD so I prefer to use the Windows Update site manually once a week. I also
dabble in a little software creation with Visual Studio because I learned
BASIC and QuickBasic when they came out and I've always liked that sort of
thing. But I don't do anything commercially and apart from web surfing and
email, I use this for my banking and other persoanl stuff including my own
website which you can see here. > http://drmcwheels.com <

I have no idea what the .NET Framework structure does for me as I understand
its importance for developers is its primary reason for existing. So what
problems may I experience if I don't load ANY of the .NET updates? I still
attempt to maintain a pretty tight security through a router and then the AVG
Internet Security suite and Firewall plus I use SpybotS&D at least monthly.
I have never had any breaches in my security so far but then again, who knows
what will happen now.

Again, I'm sorry for writing so much but I would really appreciat enay help
you can provide. Thanks very much.

I'm amazed web interface users can find anything current
since the interface's search index seems to be FUBAR.

FYI you would have better luck posting using a real NNTP newsreader
than using the web interface to this newsgroup. If you want to try
you could Run... (e.g. press Win-R and enter) this:

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate

E.g. that can create a new news account in an MS news client
such as OE, WinMail or WLMail (depending on OS and what has been
installed.) Note that you should customize its Properties before trying
to post using it.

Otherwise, usually the problem with creating a new thread via the
web interface is avoiding interference from a pop-up blocker.

<title>MS09-061: Description of the security update for the Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2 and the Microsoft .NET
Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1: October 13, 2009</title>
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=974417

<title>List of changes and fixed issues in the .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1</title>
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=951847


Has anybody suggested doing some diagnosis? There is a lot of logging
available from .NET updates which could explain your problem symptoms
if you take the trouble to look for it. Also, you may find that some of the
diagnostics become much more apparent if you download and install the
updates manually, instead of trying to let AU do it.

All the more reason to do some diagnosis then.
FWIW I think that the uninstall everything and reinstall technique
is probably mainly designed to avoid having to suggest diagnosis.

Some software and services won't work properly or at all.
A suprising example I found recently is that FaceBook
seems to look at the CLR information in the IE User-Agent string
and change its output accordingly. Also, do you visit sites which
are implemented in SilverLight? You would need .NET to use them.
E.g. I suspect this page would like quite different without either:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/

i HAVE "MYWEBSEARCH" it has slowed my system, No copy,No paste, No toolbar
and No Favs. How can I get rid of it. I have Clear Wireless internet.

You might be better off posting these days to:

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...-US/categories

You may or may not need Framework -
Benefits of the Microsoft .NET Framework
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/829019

Usually if a program requries it, it'll ask for it.

You were probably not offered any Framework updates because you no longer
had Framework installed and Framework is an optional update.
It would only be listed if you had Framework installed and then there were
critcal updates for that.

See:
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...meta=&aq=f&oq=