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Old 20-04-2006
MarcusB
 
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Ghost or Sysprep

We are using Norton Ghost for many years without any problem, but many
people are using Sysprep. What is better in Sysprep? Is ghost not
goodenough?

Marcus

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Old 20-04-2006
BRAT, Juraj
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

Hello, Symantec has released its modified Sysprep util too. Anyway, Sysprep
is not imaging software, but it is a piece of sw, which prepare OS before
making image. What preparation means ? It removes all computer specific
settings like adm password, computer name, network settings and SID and much
more. If your reboot the computer restored using this image, it will run
minisetup wizard (wizard which runs after first reboot after new manual
windows setup). This wizard asks you only few question (as you set up) and
windows takes rest of settings (regional, keyborad, additional drivers..)
from your setup files. It is like unattended installation. I'm using it for
new server installation, I have sysprep image for each hardware model, the
fresh setup of new server takes 10 minutes and it is include all settings
and additional software (antivirus, applications). Look for more on google.
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302577).

"MarcusB" <marcusbb@swipnet.se> wrote in message
news:eSVj$9FZGHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> We are using Norton Ghost for many years without any problem, but many
> people are using Sysprep. What is better in Sysprep? Is ghost not
> goodenough?
>
> Marcus



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Old 20-04-2006
MarcusB
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

But I am using only ghost and after it Ghostwalk which change SID and
computer name. Is Ghostwalk not enough?

Marcus
BRAT, Juraj wrote:

> Hello, Symantec has released its modified Sysprep util too. Anyway, Sysprep
> is not imaging software, but it is a piece of sw, which prepare OS before
> making image. What preparation means ? It removes all computer specific
> settings like adm password, computer name, network settings and SID and much
> more. If your reboot the computer restored using this image, it will run
> minisetup wizard (wizard which runs after first reboot after new manual
> windows setup). This wizard asks you only few question (as you set up) and
> windows takes rest of settings (regional, keyborad, additional drivers..)
> from your setup files. It is like unattended installation. I'm using it for
> new server installation, I have sysprep image for each hardware model, the
> fresh setup of new server takes 10 minutes and it is include all settings
> and additional software (antivirus, applications). Look for more on google.
> (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302577).
>
> "MarcusB" <marcusbb@swipnet.se> wrote in message
> news:eSVj$9FZGHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>>We are using Norton Ghost for many years without any problem, but many
>>people are using Sysprep. What is better in Sysprep? Is ghost not
>>goodenough?
>>
>>Marcus

>
>
>

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Old 20-04-2006
IntelliAdmin
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

If ghost does what you want, then the SID is really the only issue
left. If you have duplicate SIDs on your network it will cause all
kinds of pain. If ghostwalk really does generate a new one - then you
have no benifit from the sysprep program, and you can continue without
it.

Steve

Windows Admin Tools
http://www.intelliadmin.com

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Old 20-04-2006
MartinX
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

IIRC, Ghostwalker is not supported by MS. So double-check that.

"IntelliAdmin" <intelliadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If ghost does what you want, then the SID is really the only issue
left. If you have duplicate SIDs on your network it will cause all
kinds of pain. If ghostwalk really does generate a new one - then you
have no benifit from the sysprep program, and you can continue without
it.

Steve

Windows Admin Tools
http://www.intelliadmin.com


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  #6  
Old 21-04-2006
BRAT, Juraj
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

My answer is "Try the sysprep" I think you can get much more benefits from
it than only SID changer. It saves you a bunch of time.

"MartinX" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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> IIRC, Ghostwalker is not supported by MS. So double-check that.
>
> "IntelliAdmin" <intelliadmin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145540480.183522.104870@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> If ghost does what you want, then the SID is really the only issue
> left. If you have duplicate SIDs on your network it will cause all
> kinds of pain. If ghostwalk really does generate a new one - then you
> have no benifit from the sysprep program, and you can continue without
> it.
>
> Steve
>
> Windows Admin Tools
> http://www.intelliadmin.com
>
>



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  #7  
Old 22-04-2006
Hank Arnold
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

We use Ghost (and GhostWalker) to clone workstations that have
*IDENTICAL* hardware. It works fine for us as long as we remove the
workstation from the domain first before creating the ghost image....

Regards,
Hank Arnold

MarcusB wrote:
> But I am using only ghost and after it Ghostwalk which change SID and
> computer name. Is Ghostwalk not enough?
>
> Marcus
> BRAT, Juraj wrote:
>
>> Hello, Symantec has released its modified Sysprep util too. Anyway,
>> Sysprep is not imaging software, but it is a piece of sw, which
>> prepare OS before making image. What preparation means ? It removes
>> all computer specific settings like adm password, computer name,
>> network settings and SID and much more. If your reboot the computer
>> restored using this image, it will run minisetup wizard (wizard which
>> runs after first reboot after new manual windows setup). This wizard
>> asks you only few question (as you set up) and windows takes rest of
>> settings (regional, keyborad, additional drivers..) from your setup
>> files. It is like unattended installation. I'm using it for new server
>> installation, I have sysprep image for each hardware model, the fresh
>> setup of new server takes 10 minutes and it is include all settings
>> and additional software (antivirus, applications). Look for more on
>> google. (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302577).
>>
>> "MarcusB" <marcusbb@swipnet.se> wrote in message
>> news:eSVj$9FZGHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> We are using Norton Ghost for many years without any problem, but
>>> many people are using Sysprep. What is better in Sysprep? Is ghost
>>> not goodenough?
>>>
>>> Marcus

>>
>>
>>

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  #8  
Old 24-04-2006
MarcusB
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

The same for me, therefore I do not understand why many people are using
Sysprep. It is much more easier and faster with Ghost and ghostwalker.

/Marcus

Hank Arnold wrote:
> We use Ghost (and GhostWalker) to clone workstations that have
> *IDENTICAL* hardware. It works fine for us as long as we remove the
> workstation from the domain first before creating the ghost image....
>
> Regards,
> Hank Arnold
>
> MarcusB wrote:
>
>> But I am using only ghost and after it Ghostwalk which change SID and
>> computer name. Is Ghostwalk not enough?
>>
>> Marcus
>> BRAT, Juraj wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Symantec has released its modified Sysprep util too. Anyway,
>>> Sysprep is not imaging software, but it is a piece of sw, which
>>> prepare OS before making image. What preparation means ? It removes
>>> all computer specific settings like adm password, computer name,
>>> network settings and SID and much more. If your reboot the computer
>>> restored using this image, it will run minisetup wizard (wizard which
>>> runs after first reboot after new manual windows setup). This wizard
>>> asks you only few question (as you set up) and windows takes rest of
>>> settings (regional, keyborad, additional drivers..) from your setup
>>> files. It is like unattended installation. I'm using it for new
>>> server installation, I have sysprep image for each hardware model,
>>> the fresh setup of new server takes 10 minutes and it is include all
>>> settings and additional software (antivirus, applications). Look for
>>> more on google. (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302577).
>>>
>>> "MarcusB" <marcusbb@swipnet.se> wrote in message
>>> news:eSVj$9FZGHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> We are using Norton Ghost for many years without any problem, but
>>>> many people are using Sysprep. What is better in Sysprep? Is ghost
>>>> not goodenough?
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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  #9  
Old 05-05-2006
Tech_in_the_woods
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

When you say "If you have duplicate SIDs on your network it will cause all
kinds of pain." do you have any specifics? We are running Windows Server
2003 with AD and Windows XP clients. We have been using Ghost w/o either
sysprep or ghost walker. Consequently we have tons of duplicate SIDs...the
only issue I have been able to absolutely contribute to the duplicate SIDs
deal with WSUS updates. When you have duplicate computer SIDs on a network
(rather than a workgroup) I have read that you should not have any issues. If
this is not the case, can you provide some concrete examples? I am trying to
determine whether I should use a utility to change the duplicate SIDs
throughout the network.
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"IntelliAdmin" wrote:

> If ghost does what you want, then the SID is really the only issue
> left. If you have duplicate SIDs on your network it will cause all
> kinds of pain. If ghostwalk really does generate a new one - then you
> have no benifit from the sysprep program, and you can continue without
> it.
>
> Steve
>
> Windows Admin Tools
> http://www.intelliadmin.com
>
>

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  #10  
Old 16-12-2006
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2
?Your grace period limit has been reached and will not be reset?

My question is if Ghostwalk can be used more then 3 times? I am constantly making changes to a group of systems that have specialty medical software on them. Every time the vendor pushes an update or make changes to the master system I will need to Sysprep again and push the image to all the new systems and maybe the ones already in the field. If Ghostwalk has no limit on how many times you can use it on the same system after updating is their a downside to not using the Sysprep too?

The problem I have now is the build I have been sent when pushed to a new PC I get the error:
?Your grace period limit has been reached and will not be reset?

I am trying to avoid starting from scratch as finding the software and licenses to create a new build will take time and I have 5 systems that need to be installed into the field ASAP. Would extracting the windows license from the pc, Ghostwalking the PC and then making a Ghost image of the system allow the PC?s imaged to require a valid License again then activating once the system is turned back on? Or does anyone have a workaround for that error message that I can use. I do have licenses for each PC and do not mind reactivating them thru the internet connection; I just don?t want to have to use the phone to fix every new pc installed with the image.
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Old 16-12-2006
Rob Hagman
 
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Re: Ghost or Sysprep

on 15-12-2006 MrTyler wrote:

>
> My question is if Ghostwalk can be used more then 3 times? I am
> constantly making changes to a group of systems that have specialty
> medical software on them. Every time the vendor pushes an update or
> make changes to the master system I will need to Sysprep again and
> push the image to all the new systems and maybe the ones already in
> the field. If Ghostwalk has no limit on how many times you can use it
> on the same system after updating is their a downside to not using the
> Sysprep too?
>
> The problem I have now is the build I have been sent when pushed to a
> new PC I get the error:
> Your grace period limit has been reached and will not be reset
>
> I am trying to avoid starting from scratch as finding the software and
> licenses to create a new build will take time and I have 5 systems
> that need to be installed into the field ASAP. Would extracting the
> windows license from the pc, Ghostwalking the PC and then making a
> Ghost image of the system allow the PCs imaged to require a valid
> License again then activating once the system is turned back on? Or
> does anyone have a workaround for that error message that I can use.
> I do have licenses for each PC and do not mind reactivating them thru
> the internet connection; I just dont want to have to use the phone
> to fix every new pc installed with the image.


If you are talking about Windows XP PC's have a look at:

http://netsecurity.about.com/od/wind...twinxp0829.htm

How to use this information I leave up to you, but
basically you get the mentioned file from each PC,
incorporate it in your image and if you deploy the image to the same PC
as the file came from, re-activation should then not be needed.

One important part of this web-site I like to Highlight:

"Remember though. This won't work for transferring activation
information from one computer to another or if you alter the hardware
because the information contained in your "wpa.dbl" file will not match
the configuration of the computer. This trick is only for reinstalling
Windows XP on the exact same computer after formatting the hard drive."

So you have to do some administration to which PC which wpa.dbl belongs
to, and make sure that each PC gets a Image belonging to that PC.

Rob

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