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Old 23-11-2008
James Buist
 
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Slow Network Speed from 2008 Server

I have a server I recently upgraded from 2003 64bit to 2008 64 bit

Its a barebone system with
Intel P35/G33/G31 Chipset
Phoenix Technologies Bios
Intel Core Duo E6750 Processor
4GB RAM
Single Gigabit NIC Ė Generic Marvel Yukon 88E8056 Based Ethernet Controller

I upgraded because I wanted to have better experience on 2008, to use the
Virtualisation and also because I share the server on a KMV with two other
machines and now use a wide screen display and there was no VGA driver that
worked with 2003 64 bit to support it (there was a Vista 64bit one and that
works fine)

Iím running AD on it as well as SQL Server 2005. Its primarily for testing
etc but I run real services from it so its in a semi live environment so we
can do real tests!

I did a clean install of 2008 Enterprise 64 bit and installed the core
drivers Ė actually only the VGA was needed as 2008 recognised everything
else. I ran all the MS upgrades and patches and added the roles of AD and
migrated the domain. (I used a second PC to temporarily transfer the AD roles
to then moved them back to the 2008 server. That all worked fine. I added DNS
and DHCP and configured all and it all worked. Everything seemed fine but I
didnít really notice or test network speeds. I then added HyperV and noticed
after setting up a Virtual machine, that the DHCP didnít work. I discovered
that HyperV can not use the same NIC as DHCP so I temporarily turned off the
DHCP. (I will add a second NIC once the other issues are resolved)

Apart from that all seemed fine. Then I discovered really slow network
transfers from the Server to the XP Workstations. I have no Vista PCs to test
on as we are all retaining XP so it needs to work with XP. From XP to Server
is fine. They are only on 100mbs so the throughput matches that. But file
transfers from the 2008 Server to the XP machines is very slow. Like slightly
under 10mbs. Or 30secs for a single 25MB file vs 3 secs the other way.

I have not added any AV tot he server yet. I hate Symantec Endpoint. Its
bloated rubbish and screwed up my 2003 server previously. Will probably put
Symantec Corporate on when all is sorted but behind great gateway AV so not a
huge problem at this stage. Nothing much else installed except core MS stuff
inc SQL 2005 and IIS 7 roles.

I tried killing none crucial services, reinstalling NIC drivers, disabling
the firewall. I removed the Virtual Lan from Hyper-V so its currently
offline. No change.
I read that Vista had issues that were fixed in SP1 but 2008 should have
those fixes already applied. I havenít yet messed with the NIC driver
settings as there are a bunch and I really have no idea where to start there
but realistically I shouldnít have to change them Ė or should I? Iíve run out
of things to try Ė still inbound is fast, outbound is slow. I had three IPs
on the NIC but tried removing all but one. I unchecked IP6 from the NIC
Bindings. No Change. Simple Gigabit switch. No Firewalls on internal subnet,
2008 Firewall disabled, no virtual LANs, no DHCP Ė only AD and DNS. Its
really really frustrating. Iím pretty clued up on this stuff and have played
with 2008 a fair bit now but this one has me temporarily stymied.

Any clues would really help. Nothing on Google searches has revealed
anything that helps. Would really appreciate some input here. Many thanks


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Old 23-11-2008
Meinolf Weber
 
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Re: Slow Network Speed from 2008 Server

Hello James,

Check out this one's step by step, on the 2008:

Disable recieve-side scaling
Disable chimney offload state
Disable receive window auto tuning
Disable offloading in the network adapter properties
Disable IPv6 in the network adapter

The steps are done one by one to see it's result.


Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> I have a server I recently upgraded from 2003 64bit to 2008 64 bit
>
> Its a barebone system with
> Intel P35/G33/G31 Chipset
> Phoenix Technologies Bios
> Intel Core Duo E6750 Processor
> 4GB RAM
> Single Gigabit NIC - Generic Marvel Yukon 88E8056 Based Ethernet
> Controller
> I upgraded because I wanted to have better experience on 2008, to use
> the Virtualisation and also because I share the server on a KMV with
> two other machines and now use a wide screen display and there was no
> VGA driver that worked with 2003 64 bit to support it (there was a
> Vista 64bit one and that works fine)
>
> I'm running AD on it as well as SQL Server 2005. Its primarily for
> testing etc but I run real services from it so its in a semi live
> environment so we can do real tests!
>
> I did a clean install of 2008 Enterprise 64 bit and installed the core
> drivers - actually only the VGA was needed as 2008 recognised
> everything else. I ran all the MS upgrades and patches and added the
> roles of AD and migrated the domain. (I used a second PC to
> temporarily transfer the AD roles to then moved them back to the 2008
> server. That all worked fine. I added DNS and DHCP and configured all
> and it all worked. Everything seemed fine but I didn't really notice
> or test network speeds. I then added HyperV and noticed after setting
> up a Virtual machine, that the DHCP didn't work. I discovered that
> HyperV can not use the same NIC as DHCP so I temporarily turned off
> the DHCP. (I will add a second NIC once the other issues are resolved)
>
> Apart from that all seemed fine. Then I discovered really slow network
> transfers from the Server to the XP Workstations. I have no Vista PCs
> to test on as we are all retaining XP so it needs to work with XP.
> From XP to Server is fine. They are only on 100mbs so the throughput
> matches that. But file transfers from the 2008 Server to the XP
> machines is very slow. Like slightly under 10mbs. Or 30secs for a
> single 25MB file vs 3 secs the other way.
>
> I have not added any AV tot he server yet. I hate Symantec Endpoint.
> Its bloated rubbish and screwed up my 2003 server previously. Will
> probably put Symantec Corporate on when all is sorted but behind great
> gateway AV so not a huge problem at this stage. Nothing much else
> installed except core MS stuff inc SQL 2005 and IIS 7 roles.
>
> I tried killing none crucial services, reinstalling NIC drivers,
> disabling
> the firewall. I removed the Virtual Lan from Hyper-V so its currently
> offline. No change.
> I read that Vista had issues that were fixed in SP1 but 2008 should
> have
> those fixes already applied. I haven't yet messed with the NIC driver
> settings as there are a bunch and I really have no idea where to
> start there
> but realistically I shouldn't have to change them - or should I? I've
> run out
> of things to try - still inbound is fast, outbound is slow. I had
> three IPs
> on the NIC but tried removing all but one. I unchecked IP6 from the
> NIC
> Bindings. No Change. Simple Gigabit switch. No Firewalls on internal
> subnet,
> 2008 Firewall disabled, no virtual LANs, no DHCP - only AD and DNS.
> Its
> really really frustrating. I'm pretty clued up on this stuff and have
> played
> with 2008 a fair bit now but this one has me temporarily stymied.
> Any clues would really help. Nothing on Google searches has revealed
> anything that helps. Would really appreciate some input here. Many
> thanks
>



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Old 23-11-2008
James Buist
 
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Re: Slow Network Speed from 2008 Server

Thanks for that
Fixed the problem. Actually, yuor reply focussed me into looking at teh
Network Adaptor properties which are a bit scary. None of your names showed
up in my properties so I did some googling to see which option was the
receive side scaling and did a search on Marvel Yukon and found a post
relating to the flow control being set to disabled by default. As I have no
idea about any of these, I tried this as it was easy to do. Disbled the
adapter and re-enebaled and the problem had gone.
So you really got me bak on course tehre. I thought it was an O/S thing as
it had worked fine on 2003 but I think that 2008 handles offloading
differently and perhaps that was part of the issue. Marvel Yukon now have
this on by default for Vista / 2008.
Many thanks


"Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> Hello James,
>
> Check out this one's step by step, on the 2008:
>
> Disable recieve-side scaling
> Disable chimney offload state
> Disable receive window auto tuning
> Disable offloading in the network adapter properties
> Disable IPv6 in the network adapter
>
> The steps are done one by one to see it's result.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > I have a server I recently upgraded from 2003 64bit to 2008 64 bit
> >
> > Its a barebone system with
> > Intel P35/G33/G31 Chipset
> > Phoenix Technologies Bios
> > Intel Core Duo E6750 Processor
> > 4GB RAM
> > Single Gigabit NIC - Generic Marvel Yukon 88E8056 Based Ethernet
> > Controller
> > I upgraded because I wanted to have better experience on 2008, to use
> > the Virtualisation and also because I share the server on a KMV with
> > two other machines and now use a wide screen display and there was no
> > VGA driver that worked with 2003 64 bit to support it (there was a
> > Vista 64bit one and that works fine)
> >
> > I'm running AD on it as well as SQL Server 2005. Its primarily for
> > testing etc but I run real services from it so its in a semi live
> > environment so we can do real tests!
> >
> > I did a clean install of 2008 Enterprise 64 bit and installed the core
> > drivers - actually only the VGA was needed as 2008 recognised
> > everything else. I ran all the MS upgrades and patches and added the
> > roles of AD and migrated the domain. (I used a second PC to
> > temporarily transfer the AD roles to then moved them back to the 2008
> > server. That all worked fine. I added DNS and DHCP and configured all
> > and it all worked. Everything seemed fine but I didn't really notice
> > or test network speeds. I then added HyperV and noticed after setting
> > up a Virtual machine, that the DHCP didn't work. I discovered that
> > HyperV can not use the same NIC as DHCP so I temporarily turned off
> > the DHCP. (I will add a second NIC once the other issues are resolved)
> >
> > Apart from that all seemed fine. Then I discovered really slow network
> > transfers from the Server to the XP Workstations. I have no Vista PCs
> > to test on as we are all retaining XP so it needs to work with XP.
> > From XP to Server is fine. They are only on 100mbs so the throughput
> > matches that. But file transfers from the 2008 Server to the XP
> > machines is very slow. Like slightly under 10mbs. Or 30secs for a
> > single 25MB file vs 3 secs the other way.
> >
> > I have not added any AV tot he server yet. I hate Symantec Endpoint.
> > Its bloated rubbish and screwed up my 2003 server previously. Will
> > probably put Symantec Corporate on when all is sorted but behind great
> > gateway AV so not a huge problem at this stage. Nothing much else
> > installed except core MS stuff inc SQL 2005 and IIS 7 roles.
> >
> > I tried killing none crucial services, reinstalling NIC drivers,
> > disabling
> > the firewall. I removed the Virtual Lan from Hyper-V so its currently
> > offline. No change.
> > I read that Vista had issues that were fixed in SP1 but 2008 should
> > have
> > those fixes already applied. I haven't yet messed with the NIC driver
> > settings as there are a bunch and I really have no idea where to
> > start there
> > but realistically I shouldn't have to change them - or should I? I've
> > run out
> > of things to try - still inbound is fast, outbound is slow. I had
> > three IPs
> > on the NIC but tried removing all but one. I unchecked IP6 from the
> > NIC
> > Bindings. No Change. Simple Gigabit switch. No Firewalls on internal
> > subnet,
> > 2008 Firewall disabled, no virtual LANs, no DHCP - only AD and DNS.
> > Its
> > really really frustrating. I'm pretty clued up on this stuff and have
> > played
> > with 2008 a fair bit now but this one has me temporarily stymied.
> > Any clues would really help. Nothing on Google searches has revealed
> > anything that helps. Would really appreciate some input here. Many
> > thanks
> >

>
>
>

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Old 23-11-2008
Meinolf Weber
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Slow Network Speed from 2008 Server

Hello James,

Nice to hear that you solved it.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> Thanks for that
> Fixed the problem. Actually, yuor reply focussed me into looking at
> teh
> Network Adaptor properties which are a bit scary. None of your names
> showed
> up in my properties so I did some googling to see which option was the
> receive side scaling and did a search on Marvel Yukon and found a post
> relating to the flow control being set to disabled by default. As I
> have no
> idea about any of these, I tried this as it was easy to do. Disbled
> the
> adapter and re-enebaled and the problem had gone.
> So you really got me bak on course tehre. I thought it was an O/S
> thing as
> it had worked fine on 2003 but I think that 2008 handles offloading
> differently and perhaps that was part of the issue. Marvel Yukon now
> have
> this on by default for Vista / 2008.
> Many thanks
> "Meinolf Weber" wrote:
>
>> Hello James,
>>
>> Check out this one's step by step, on the 2008:
>>
>> Disable recieve-side scaling
>> Disable chimney offload state
>> Disable receive window auto tuning
>> Disable offloading in the network adapter properties
>> Disable IPv6 in the network adapter
>> The steps are done one by one to see it's result.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> I have a server I recently upgraded from 2003 64bit to 2008 64 bit
>>>
>>> Its a barebone system with
>>> Intel P35/G33/G31 Chipset
>>> Phoenix Technologies Bios
>>> Intel Core Duo E6750 Processor
>>> 4GB RAM
>>> Single Gigabit NIC - Generic Marvel Yukon 88E8056 Based Ethernet
>>> Controller
>>> I upgraded because I wanted to have better experience on 2008, to
>>> use
>>> the Virtualisation and also because I share the server on a KMV with
>>> two other machines and now use a wide screen display and there was
>>> no
>>> VGA driver that worked with 2003 64 bit to support it (there was a
>>> Vista 64bit one and that works fine)
>>> I'm running AD on it as well as SQL Server 2005. Its primarily for
>>> testing etc but I run real services from it so its in a semi live
>>> environment so we can do real tests!
>>>
>>> I did a clean install of 2008 Enterprise 64 bit and installed the
>>> core drivers - actually only the VGA was needed as 2008 recognised
>>> everything else. I ran all the MS upgrades and patches and added the
>>> roles of AD and migrated the domain. (I used a second PC to
>>> temporarily transfer the AD roles to then moved them back to the
>>> 2008 server. That all worked fine. I added DNS and DHCP and
>>> configured all and it all worked. Everything seemed fine but I
>>> didn't really notice or test network speeds. I then added HyperV and
>>> noticed after setting up a Virtual machine, that the DHCP didn't
>>> work. I discovered that HyperV can not use the same NIC as DHCP so I
>>> temporarily turned off the DHCP. (I will add a second NIC once the
>>> other issues are resolved)
>>>
>>> Apart from that all seemed fine. Then I discovered really slow
>>> network transfers from the Server to the XP Workstations. I have no
>>> Vista PCs to test on as we are all retaining XP so it needs to work
>>> with XP. From XP to Server is fine. They are only on 100mbs so the
>>> throughput matches that. But file transfers from the 2008 Server to
>>> the XP machines is very slow. Like slightly under 10mbs. Or 30secs
>>> for a single 25MB file vs 3 secs the other way.
>>>
>>> I have not added any AV tot he server yet. I hate Symantec Endpoint.
>>> Its bloated rubbish and screwed up my 2003 server previously. Will
>>> probably put Symantec Corporate on when all is sorted but behind
>>> great gateway AV so not a huge problem at this stage. Nothing much
>>> else installed except core MS stuff inc SQL 2005 and IIS 7 roles.
>>>
>>> I tried killing none crucial services, reinstalling NIC drivers,
>>> disabling
>>> the firewall. I removed the Virtual Lan from Hyper-V so its
>>> currently
>>> offline. No change.
>>> I read that Vista had issues that were fixed in SP1 but 2008 should
>>> have
>>> those fixes already applied. I haven't yet messed with the NIC
>>> driver
>>> settings as there are a bunch and I really have no idea where to
>>> start there
>>> but realistically I shouldn't have to change them - or should I?
>>> I've
>>> run out
>>> of things to try - still inbound is fast, outbound is slow. I had
>>> three IPs
>>> on the NIC but tried removing all but one. I unchecked IP6 from the
>>> NIC
>>> Bindings. No Change. Simple Gigabit switch. No Firewalls on internal
>>> subnet,
>>> 2008 Firewall disabled, no virtual LANs, no DHCP - only AD and DNS.
>>> Its
>>> really really frustrating. I'm pretty clued up on this stuff and
>>> have
>>> played
>>> with 2008 a fair bit now but this one has me temporarily stymied.
>>> Any clues would really help. Nothing on Google searches has revealed
>>> anything that helps. Would really appreciate some input here. Many
>>> thanks



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