message "no firewall is turned on"

From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this balloon
to fix comes up.

Not at startup.

At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the firewall off
and then immediately back on.

When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the firewall
is turned ON.

Is this

a) a bug?
b) a worry?

In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?

George wrote:

> From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this
> balloon to fix comes up.
>
> Not at startup.
>
> At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the firewall
> off and then immediately back on.
>
> When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the firewall
> is turned ON.
>
> Is this
>
> a) a bug?
> b) a worry?
>
> In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?

The First Question Of Troubleshooting: If the problem is new, what changed
between the time things worked and the time they didn't?

The Second Question of Windows Troubleshooting: what is the malware/virus
status of the machine? If you think it is clean, what programs (and
versions) did you use to determine this?

Be sure the computer is clean:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware

Answer The Second Question first.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On my XP (home/mediacenter edition) system, I have the Windows Firewall on
and AVG (free) installed. It worked for the longest time.

My OS is on auto-update.

AVG reports no viruses. It is up to date.

It started this summer ... sometime in July.

The only thing unusual is that I installed the auto-run fix that came out
this summer. That particular fix was downloaded for installation repeatedly
for about a month. Finally it seems to have taken.

George


"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:egvrUQuGKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> George wrote:
>
>> From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this
>> balloon to fix comes up.
>>
>> Not at startup.
>>
>> At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the firewall
>> off and then immediately back on.
>>
>> When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the
>> firewall
>> is turned ON.
>>
>> Is this
>>
>> a) a bug?
>> b) a worry?
>>
>> In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?
>
> The First Question Of Troubleshooting: If the problem is new, what changed
> between the time things worked and the time they didn't?
>
> The Second Question of Windows Troubleshooting: what is the malware/virus
> status of the machine? If you think it is clean, what programs (and
> versions) did you use to determine this?
>
> Be sure the computer is clean:
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>
> Answer The Second Question first.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>

Update:

I investigated the firewall settings and...

I had some programs checked as "not to be firewalled" exceptions.

Since I have removed all exceptions, the message has not (yet) popped up.

Could it be that this is the expected behavior when exceptions are entered?

George
"George" <someone@tds.net> wrote in message
news:%23Ftb89wGKHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> On my XP (home/mediacenter edition) system, I have the Windows Firewall on
> and AVG (free) installed. It worked for the longest time.
>
> My OS is on auto-update.
>
> AVG reports no viruses. It is up to date.
>
> It started this summer ... sometime in July.
>
> The only thing unusual is that I installed the auto-run fix that came out
> this summer. That particular fix was downloaded for installation
> repeatedly for about a month. Finally it seems to have taken.
>
> George
>
>
> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:egvrUQuGKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> George wrote:
>>
>>> From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this
>>> balloon to fix comes up.
>>>
>>> Not at startup.
>>>
>>> At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the firewall
>>> off and then immediately back on.
>>>
>>> When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the
>>> firewall
>>> is turned ON.
>>>
>>> Is this
>>>
>>> a) a bug?
>>> b) a worry?
>>>
>>> In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?
>>
>> The First Question Of Troubleshooting: If the problem is new, what
>> changed
>> between the time things worked and the time they didn't?
>>
>> The Second Question of Windows Troubleshooting: what is the malware/virus
>> status of the machine? If you think it is clean, what programs (and
>> versions) did you use to determine this?
>>
>> Be sure the computer is clean:
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>>
>> Answer The Second Question first.
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>
>
>

"George" <someone@tds.net> wrote:

>Update:
>
>I investigated the firewall settings and...
>
>I had some programs checked as "not to be firewalled" exceptions.
>
>Since I have removed all exceptions, the message has not (yet) popped up.
>
>Could it be that this is the expected behavior when exceptions are entered?

DUH!


>George
>"George" <someone@tds.net> wrote in message
>news:%23Ftb89wGKHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> On my XP (home/mediacenter edition) system, I have the Windows Firewall on
>> and AVG (free) installed. It worked for the longest time.
>>
>> My OS is on auto-update.
>>
>> AVG reports no viruses. It is up to date.
>>
>> It started this summer ... sometime in July.
>>
>> The only thing unusual is that I installed the auto-run fix that came out
>> this summer. That particular fix was downloaded for installation
>> repeatedly for about a month. Finally it seems to have taken.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:egvrUQuGKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> George wrote:
>>>
>>>> From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this
>>>> balloon to fix comes up.
>>>>
>>>> Not at startup.
>>>>
>>>> At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the firewall
>>>> off and then immediately back on.
>>>>
>>>> When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the
>>>> firewall
>>>> is turned ON.
>>>>
>>>> Is this
>>>>
>>>> a) a bug?
>>>> b) a worry?
>>>>
>>>> In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?
>>>
>>> The First Question Of Troubleshooting: If the problem is new, what
>>> changed
>>> between the time things worked and the time they didn't?
>>>
>>> The Second Question of Windows Troubleshooting: what is the malware/virus
>>> status of the machine? If you think it is clean, what programs (and
>>> versions) did you use to determine this?
>>>
>>> Be sure the computer is clean:
>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>>>
>>> Answer The Second Question first.
>>>
>>> Malke
>>> --
>>> MS-MVP
>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>
>>
>>
>

The problem persists even with no exceptions checked.

Thanks for your kind response, Max. It helped a lot!


"Max Goldman" <maxgoldman@andiceclay.com> wrote in message
news:9465851bg491mublt6p650shkllbkskv9e@4ax.com...
> "George" <someone@tds.net> wrote:
>
>>Update:
>>
>>I investigated the firewall settings and...
>>
>>I had some programs checked as "not to be firewalled" exceptions.
>>
>>Since I have removed all exceptions, the message has not (yet) popped up.
>>
>>Could it be that this is the expected behavior when exceptions are
>>entered?
>
> DUH!
>
>
>>George
>>"George" <someone@tds.net> wrote in message
>>news:%23Ftb89wGKHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> On my XP (home/mediacenter edition) system, I have the Windows Firewall
>>> on
>>> and AVG (free) installed. It worked for the longest time.
>>>
>>> My OS is on auto-update.
>>>
>>> AVG reports no viruses. It is up to date.
>>>
>>> It started this summer ... sometime in July.
>>>
>>> The only thing unusual is that I installed the auto-run fix that came
>>> out
>>> this summer. That particular fix was downloaded for installation
>>> repeatedly for about a month. Finally it seems to have taken.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:egvrUQuGKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this
>>>>> balloon to fix comes up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at startup.
>>>>>
>>>>> At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the
>>>>> firewall
>>>>> off and then immediately back on.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the
>>>>> firewall
>>>>> is turned ON.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this
>>>>>
>>>>> a) a bug?
>>>>> b) a worry?
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?
>>>>
>>>> The First Question Of Troubleshooting: If the problem is new, what
>>>> changed
>>>> between the time things worked and the time they didn't?
>>>>
>>>> The Second Question of Windows Troubleshooting: what is the
>>>> malware/virus
>>>> status of the machine? If you think it is clean, what programs (and
>>>> versions) did you use to determine this?
>>>>
>>>> Be sure the computer is clean:
>>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>>>>
>>>> Answer The Second Question first.
>>>>
>>>> Malke
>>>> --
>>>> MS-MVP
>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

"George" <someone@tds.net> wrote:

>The problem persists even with no exceptions checked.

Given the change in info from what you previously said (Since I have
removed all exceptions, the message has not (yet) popped up), I guess
the answer to the question is NO.

>Thanks for your kind response, Max. It helped a lot!
>
>
>"Max Goldman" <maxgoldman@andiceclay.com> wrote in message
>news:9465851bg491mublt6p650shkllbkskv9e@4ax.com...
>> "George" <someone@tds.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Update:
>>>
>>>I investigated the firewall settings and...
>>>
>>>I had some programs checked as "not to be firewalled" exceptions.
>>>
>>>Since I have removed all exceptions, the message has not (yet) popped up.
>>>
>>>Could it be that this is the expected behavior when exceptions are
>>>entered?
>>
>> DUH!
>>
>>
>>>George
>>>"George" <someone@tds.net> wrote in message
>>>news:%23Ftb89wGKHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> On my XP (home/mediacenter edition) system, I have the Windows Firewall
>>>> on
>>>> and AVG (free) installed. It worked for the longest time.
>>>>
>>>> My OS is on auto-update.
>>>>
>>>> AVG reports no viruses. It is up to date.
>>>>
>>>> It started this summer ... sometime in July.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing unusual is that I installed the auto-run fix that came
>>>> out
>>>> this summer. That particular fix was downloaded for installation
>>>> repeatedly for about a month. Finally it seems to have taken.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:egvrUQuGKHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From time to time the message "no firewall is turned on" click this
>>>>>> balloon to fix comes up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not at startup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At seemingly random intervals. As if something is turning the
>>>>>> firewall
>>>>>> off and then immediately back on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I _do_ click the balloon (I have to be quick)I find that the
>>>>>> firewall
>>>>>> is turned ON.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) a bug?
>>>>>> b) a worry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case how do I stop this minor annoyance?
>>>>>
>>>>> The First Question Of Troubleshooting: If the problem is new, what
>>>>> changed
>>>>> between the time things worked and the time they didn't?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Second Question of Windows Troubleshooting: what is the
>>>>> malware/virus
>>>>> status of the machine? If you think it is clean, what programs (and
>>>>> versions) did you use to determine this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure the computer is clean:
>>>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>>>>>
>>>>> Answer The Second Question first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Malke
>>>>> --
>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>>>>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

George wrote:

> The problem persists even with no exceptions checked.
>
> Thanks for your kind response, Max. It helped a lot!
>
>


First step, have the system scanned here:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm

**IF** no malware was detected, then do Method 1 here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920074

If no malware was detected by the One Care Scanner and Method 1 did not
resolve the intermittent firewall issue, then do Method 2.


MowGreen
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

George wrote:
> Update:
>
> I investigated the firewall settings and...
>
> I had some programs checked as "not to be firewalled" exceptions.
>
> Since I have removed all exceptions, the message has not (yet) popped up.
>
> Could it be that this is the expected behavior when exceptions are entered?

Only if Microsoft are dumb. You're describing exceptions to allow
programs to send and/or receive data through the firewall, not to have
there not /be/ a firewall when you use those programs.