Destination Folder Access Denied

I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
"Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

Yes. You need modify permissions on the folder itself. See the directions I
just posted in the "Folder gives me no permissions???" thread. It is not
exactly like your problem, but you can modify those steps to do what you need.

"Sumit Ghai" wrote:

> I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
> but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
> "Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
> action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
> This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
> play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

Unfortunately, that didn't work. I went through all the steps, and nothing.
I do have to point out that where you said to click on "Edit" the first time
around, there was not shield on the button. Could that mean something? I
have already disabled UAC.

"Jesper" wrote:

> Yes. You need modify permissions on the folder itself. See the directions I
> just posted in the "Folder gives me no permissions???" thread. It is not
> exactly like your problem, but you can modify those steps to do what you need.
>
> "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
>
> > I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
> > but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
> > "Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
> > action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
> > This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
> > play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

If you have already disabled UAC then you have (a) turned off much of the
security in the OS, and (b) would already have access if you are an admin.

"Sumit Ghai" wrote:

> Unfortunately, that didn't work. I went through all the steps, and nothing.
> I do have to point out that where you said to click on "Edit" the first time
> around, there was not shield on the button. Could that mean something? I
> have already disabled UAC.
>
> "Jesper" wrote:
>
> > Yes. You need modify permissions on the folder itself. See the directions I
> > just posted in the "Folder gives me no permissions???" thread. It is not
> > exactly like your problem, but you can modify those steps to do what you need.
> >
> > "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
> >
> > > I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
> > > but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
> > > "Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
> > > action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
> > > This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
> > > play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

That's what I would think, too. How do I check to make sure I actually am
the admin on my own computer?

"Jesper" wrote:

> If you have already disabled UAC then you have (a) turned off much of the
> security in the OS, and (b) would already have access if you are an admin.
>
> "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, that didn't work. I went through all the steps, and nothing.
> > I do have to point out that where you said to click on "Edit" the first time
> > around, there was not shield on the button. Could that mean something? I
> > have already disabled UAC.
> >
> > "Jesper" wrote:
> >
> > > Yes. You need modify permissions on the folder itself. See the directions I
> > > just posted in the "Folder gives me no permissions???" thread. It is not
> > > exactly like your problem, but you can modify those steps to do what you need.
> > >
> > > "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
> > > > but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
> > > > "Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
> > > > action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
> > > > This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
> > > > play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

drop to a command line and run whoami /all /fo list

"Sumit Ghai" wrote:

> That's what I would think, too. How do I check to make sure I actually am
> the admin on my own computer?
>
> "Jesper" wrote:
>
> > If you have already disabled UAC then you have (a) turned off much of the
> > security in the OS, and (b) would already have access if you are an admin.
> >
> > "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
> >
> > > Unfortunately, that didn't work. I went through all the steps, and nothing.
> > > I do have to point out that where you said to click on "Edit" the first time
> > > around, there was not shield on the button. Could that mean something? I
> > > have already disabled UAC.
> > >
> > > "Jesper" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes. You need modify permissions on the folder itself. See the directions I
> > > > just posted in the "Folder gives me no permissions???" thread. It is not
> > > > exactly like your problem, but you can modify those steps to do what you need.
> > > >
> > > > "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
> > > > > but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
> > > > > "Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
> > > > > action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
> > > > > This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
> > > > > play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

Under "User Information", it has "sumit-hp\sumit"....shouldn't that be
adminstrator? Does this mean I'm not logged in as admin? How do I change
that? Sorry for asking these kinda stupid questions. On my old computer, I
never bothered with user accounts and things like that.

"Jesper" wrote:

> drop to a command line and run whoami /all /fo list
>
> "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
>
> > That's what I would think, too. How do I check to make sure I actually am
> > the admin on my own computer?
> >
> > "Jesper" wrote:
> >
> > > If you have already disabled UAC then you have (a) turned off much of the
> > > security in the OS, and (b) would already have access if you are an admin.
> > >
> > > "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately, that didn't work. I went through all the steps, and nothing.
> > > > I do have to point out that where you said to click on "Edit" the first time
> > > > around, there was not shield on the button. Could that mean something? I
> > > > have already disabled UAC.
> > > >
> > > > "Jesper" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes. You need modify permissions on the folder itself. See the directions I
> > > > > just posted in the "Folder gives me no permissions???" thread. It is not
> > > > > exactly like your problem, but you can modify those steps to do what you need.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I want to rename one of the folders I created in Computer > Local Disk (C:),
> > > > > > but when I go to rename it and press enter, I get a message saying
> > > > > > "Destination Folder Access Denied...you need permission to perfom this
> > > > > > action". I'm the administrator on the computer, seeing how it is my laptop.
> > > > > > This doesn't happen for all the folders I have created though. Any way to
> > > > > > play around with the security settings so I can rename my own folder?

> Under "User Information", it has "sumit-hp\sumit"....shouldn't that be
> adminstrator? Does this mean I'm not logged in as admin? How do I change
> that? Sorry for asking these kinda stupid questions. On my old computer, I
> never bothered with user accounts and things like that.

No, Administrator is the name of an account. You are an administrator, but
not _the_ Administrator. The Administrator (not capitalization, BTW), is
disabled.

---
Your question may already be answered in Windows Vista Security:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047...SIN=0470101555

That's strange then, because when I look at User Accounts under the Control
Panel, I'm listed as "Administrator". I'm just confused now.

"Jesper" wrote:

> > Under "User Information", it has "sumit-hp\sumit"....shouldn't that be
> > adminstrator? Does this mean I'm not logged in as admin? How do I change
> > that? Sorry for asking these kinda stupid questions. On my old computer, I
> > never bothered with user accounts and things like that.
>
> No, Administrator is the name of an account. You are an administrator, but
> not _the_ Administrator. The Administrator (not capitalization, BTW), is
> disabled.
>
> ---
> Your question may already be answered in Windows Vista Security:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047...SIN=0470101555
>

You are AN administrator. That is what the control panel is telling you. You
are not THE Administrator. There can be several administrators, but there is
an account called "Administrator," and a group called "Administrators".
Anyone who is a member of the Administrators group is an administrator. The
Administrator is a legacy account that still exists, but is no longer used.
In most cases, it is disabled by default on Vista.

"Sumit Ghai" wrote:

> That's strange then, because when I look at User Accounts under the Control
> Panel, I'm listed as "Administrator". I'm just confused now.
>
> "Jesper" wrote:
>
> > > Under "User Information", it has "sumit-hp\sumit"....shouldn't that be
> > > adminstrator? Does this mean I'm not logged in as admin? How do I change
> > > that? Sorry for asking these kinda stupid questions. On my old computer, I
> > > never bothered with user accounts and things like that.
> >
> > No, Administrator is the name of an account. You are an administrator, but
> > not _the_ Administrator. The Administrator (not capitalization, BTW), is
> > disabled.
> >
> > ---
> > Your question may already be answered in Windows Vista Security:
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047...SIN=0470101555
> >

I see. So, do I have to enable that to be able to change that folder name
that I wanted to do? Is there any way to become THE Administrator to be able
to make any changes?

"Jesper" wrote:

> You are AN administrator. That is what the control panel is telling you. You
> are not THE Administrator. There can be several administrators, but there is
> an account called "Administrator," and a group called "Administrators".
> Anyone who is a member of the Administrators group is an administrator. The
> Administrator is a legacy account that still exists, but is no longer used.
> In most cases, it is disabled by default on Vista.
>
> "Sumit Ghai" wrote:
>
> > That's strange then, because when I look at User Accounts under the Control
> > Panel, I'm listed as "Administrator". I'm just confused now.
> >
> > "Jesper" wrote:
> >
> > > > Under "User Information", it has "sumit-hp\sumit"....shouldn't that be
> > > > adminstrator? Does this mean I'm not logged in as admin? How do I change
> > > > that? Sorry for asking these kinda stupid questions. On my old computer, I
> > > > never bothered with user accounts and things like that.
> > >
> > > No, Administrator is the name of an account. You are an administrator, but
> > > not _the_ Administrator. The Administrator (not capitalization, BTW), is
> > > disabled.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Your question may already be answered in Windows Vista Security:
> > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047...SIN=0470101555
> > >

> I see. So, do I have to enable that to be able to change that folder name
> that I wanted to do? Is there any way to become THE Administrator to be able
> to make any changes?

You can become THE Administrator by booting into safe mode and logging on
with it, but there is no need to. Using the steps I gave you it is possible
to fix the problem without resorting to such crude means. You just need to
grant permissions to the right accounts.

Jesper wrote:
> Anyone who is a member of the Administrators group is an
> administrator. The Administrator is a legacy account that
> still exists, but is no longer used.
> In most cases, it is disabled by default on Vista.

By the way, is there anything AN administrador cannot do while THE
Administrador still can?

I think one such thing is the ability to still log on locally (in safe mode)
even if some policy or another similar way disable this (that is, there are
cases you are allowed to shot yourself in the foot without actually hurting
you.)

But once you are logged on (as an administrador), I do not see effective
differences (besides Deny ACE, that is.)


Antoine

> > Anyone who is a member of the Administrators group is an
> > administrator. The Administrator is a legacy account that
> > still exists, but is no longer used.
> > In most cases, it is disabled by default on Vista.
>
> By the way, is there anything AN administrador cannot do while THE
> Administrador still can?

Very little. There were a few things in older operating systems. However,
access checks for RID 500 (Administrator) should all have been replaced with
group 544 (Builtin Administrators) in Vista.

The main difference is that if you enable the Administrators account and log
on with that UAC is not in effect. That account is not subject to UAC.

> I think one such thing is the ability to still log on locally (in safe mode)
> even if some policy or another similar way disable this (that is, there are
> cases you are allowed to shot yourself in the foot without actually hurting
> you.)

There is actually a rather complicated decision process for whether the RID
500 account can log on in safe mode if it is disabled or not, and it differs
between domain joined and non-domain joined machines.

> But once you are logged on (as an administrador), I do not see effective
> differences (besides Deny ACE, that is.)

UAC is not enabled for the built-in Administrator account, nor is it enabled
for domain admins.

In news:E23E8A03-A0C2-4A82-828C-980003FA5141@microsoft.com,
Jesper <Jesper@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>> By the way, is there anything AN administrador cannot do while THE
>> Administrador still can?
>
> Very little. There were a few things in older operating systems.
> However, access checks for RID 500 (Administrator) should all have
> been replaced with group 544 (Builtin Administrators) in Vista.
>
> The main difference is that if you enable the Administrators account
> and log on with that UAC is not in effect. That account is not
> subject to UAC.

Thanks to Jesper for the detailled explanations (that I snipped, but the
most valuable information is above, I think.)


Antoine