Cannot Print to XP Printer from Vista but I can share files

[Rob]

I am at my wits end!!
I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my previous XP
SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off, all
virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared, both
computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over TCP/IP,
network is private etc.......
What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for now
I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the Vista
machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me (Error
0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being able
to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return this PC
to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?

[Lee Clayton]

Rob:

No one has responded but it appears that unless you have a brand new printer
that is Vista certified, you cannot network print to a printer on a XP Home
or XP Pro network.

THIS SUCKS! MS$ should be ashamed of putting out Vista and not allowing it
to network print to a XP networked printer.

--
Lee


"Rob" wrote:

> I am at my wits end!!
> I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
> the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my previous XP
> SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off, all
> virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared, both
> computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
> installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over TCP/IP,
> network is private etc.......
> What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
> can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for now
> I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
> BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the Vista
> machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
> I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me (Error
> 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
> Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being able
> to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return this PC
> to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?

[Rob]

Thanks Lee,
That's kinda what I was thinking, which is brutal.
Are you 100% sure of that? If that is the case, I at the very least feel
better knowing that I am not the idiot who can't figure it out. I will
assume that MS will EVENTUALLY put out a patch. This isn't acceptable, the
OS should be backwards compatible. If you surf the MS site for solutions,
most of what you find is "upgrade XP to Vista", planned obsolesence.....
We should place bets on how long it will take MS to fix it...


"Lee Clayton" wrote:

> Rob:
>
> No one has responded but it appears that unless you have a brand new printer
> that is Vista certified, you cannot network print to a printer on a XP Home
> or XP Pro network.
>
> THIS SUCKS! MS$ should be ashamed of putting out Vista and not allowing it
> to network print to a XP networked printer.
>
> --
> Lee
>
>
> "Rob" wrote:
>
> > I am at my wits end!!
> > I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
> > the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my previous XP
> > SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off, all
> > virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared, both
> > computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
> > installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over TCP/IP,
> > network is private etc.......
> > What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
> > can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for now
> > I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
> > BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the Vista
> > machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
> > I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me (Error
> > 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
> > Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being able
> > to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return this PC
> > to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?

[Rob]

One more thing, that reminds me of all the problems that I encountered when I
upgraded my OS to XP and nothing worked!! I guess the plan at MS is put the
product to the market and let the consumers be the BETA testers.


"Rob" wrote:

> Thanks Lee,
> That's kinda what I was thinking, which is brutal.
> Are you 100% sure of that? If that is the case, I at the very least feel
> better knowing that I am not the idiot who can't figure it out. I will
> assume that MS will EVENTUALLY put out a patch. This isn't acceptable, the
> OS should be backwards compatible. If you surf the MS site for solutions,
> most of what you find is "upgrade XP to Vista", planned obsolesence.....
> We should place bets on how long it will take MS to fix it...
>
>
> "Lee Clayton" wrote:
>
> > Rob:
> >
> > No one has responded but it appears that unless you have a brand new printer
> > that is Vista certified, you cannot network print to a printer on a XP Home
> > or XP Pro network.
> >
> > THIS SUCKS! MS$ should be ashamed of putting out Vista and not allowing it
> > to network print to a XP networked printer.
> >
> > --
> > Lee
> >
> >
> > "Rob" wrote:
> >
> > > I am at my wits end!!
> > > I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
> > > the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my previous XP
> > > SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off, all
> > > virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared, both
> > > computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
> > > installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over TCP/IP,
> > > network is private etc.......
> > > What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
> > > can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for now
> > > I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
> > > BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the Vista
> > > machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
> > > I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me (Error
> > > 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
> > > Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being able
> > > to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return this PC
> > > to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?

[Bruce]

I have the same problem. Vista on the laptop connecting to the wireless
network printer attached to an XP desktop. I spent a good hour with Canon
tech support. Unfortunately, he was not able to help. At least I can see my
other networked XP computers on my Vista laptop so I can always move files
that need to be printed 'till MS comes up with a fix. If I had known about
this issue, I would not have upgraded.

[Lee Clayton]

My bet is there are going to be a LOT of pissed of people that have spent the
money to upgrade...thinking that they could use just one new vista computer
on a home network. I wonder if we could get our money back and send this
crap back to Microsoft? I really think it sucks that it is not backwards
compatible....just with printers! A Windows 98 networked printer could be
printed to from a Windows XP computer! And this is suppose to be an
improvement!

--
Lee


"Bruce" wrote:

> I have the same problem. Vista on the laptop connecting to the wireless
> network printer attached to an XP desktop. I spent a good hour with Canon
> tech support. Unfortunately, he was not able to help. At least I can see my
> other networked XP computers on my Vista laptop so I can always move files
> that need to be printed 'till MS comes up with a fix. If I had known about
> this issue, I would not have upgraded.

[Brian W]

I has to switch of passwords on the network on the Vista machine to get the
Xp machine to be seen by the vista machine

MMM "Vista shiny"
"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F200140A-404F-4772-8D18-0484E10E0172@microsoft.com...
>I am at my wits end!!
> I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
> the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my previous
> XP
> SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off, all
> virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared,
> both
> computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
> installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over TCP/IP,
> network is private etc.......
> What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
> can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for
> now
> I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
> BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the Vista
> machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
> I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me
> (Error
> 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
> Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being
> able
> to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return this
> PC
> to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?

[Brian W]

my spelling brain must off

switch off password protected sharing in the Network and Sharing Center page
"Brian W" <bex753@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C67144EA-CEC3-4C68-A6EE-44F65313CB3E@microsoft.com...
>I has to switch of passwords on the network on the Vista machine to get the
>Xp machine to be seen by the vista machine
>
> MMM "Vista shiny"
> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F200140A-404F-4772-8D18-0484E10E0172@microsoft.com...
>>I am at my wits end!!
>> I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
>> the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my
>> previous XP
>> SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off,
>> all
>> virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared,
>> both
>> computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
>> installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over
>> TCP/IP,
>> network is private etc.......
>> What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
>> can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for
>> now
>> I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
>> BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the
>> Vista
>> machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
>> I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me
>> (Error
>> 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
>> Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being
>> able
>> to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return
>> this PC
>> to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?
>

[Rob]

I tried it both ways and it made no difference.
I like the new sound effect when I get the critical error....not!

"Brian W" wrote:

> my spelling brain must off
>
> switch off password protected sharing in the Network and Sharing Center page
> "Brian W" <bex753@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:C67144EA-CEC3-4C68-A6EE-44F65313CB3E@microsoft.com...
> >I has to switch of passwords on the network on the Vista machine to get the
> >Xp machine to be seen by the vista machine
> >
> > MMM "Vista shiny"
> > "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:F200140A-404F-4772-8D18-0484E10E0172@microsoft.com...
> >>I am at my wits end!!
> >> I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
> >> the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my
> >> previous XP
> >> SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off,
> >> all
> >> virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared,
> >> both
> >> computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
> >> installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over
> >> TCP/IP,
> >> network is private etc.......
> >> What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
> >> can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for
> >> now
> >> I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
> >> BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the
> >> Vista
> >> machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
> >> I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me
> >> (Error
> >> 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
> >> Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being
> >> able
> >> to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return
> >> this PC
> >> to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?
> >
>

[Hugh Wyn Griffith]

What make and model printer is it?

[Bruce Sanderson]

This is not correct. Many existing and older printers work fine - for
example, out of the box, my Vista computers at home can print on the HP
Deskjet 932C (at least 5 years old) connected to a Windows Server 2003
computer. Same at the office with many different HP Laserjet printers
(other vendors "older" printers work also). Windows XP or Windows Server
2003 printer drivers for printers that do not have in-box drivers will also
work in most cases.

These kinds of problems are usually very printer make and model dependent,
so without knowing what make and model of printer one is having a problem
with, it is not practical to suggest solutions.

There are definitly issues with the scanner and fax capabilities of some
multi-function "printers", but basic printing works in most cases.

However, if all else fails, the workaround at
http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/NetPrinterNoPP.htm will almost always work -
the details in the steps are for XP, but the process is essentially the same
in Vista.

There are several threads in the
microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking-sharing and
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general newsgroups about problems with
sharing folders and printers and potential solutions.

--
Bruce Sanderson MVP
http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/
It's perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.


"Lee Clayton" <LeeClayton@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9FB1C5AD-9BC5-482F-AA8B-CCAD95ADAAA2@microsoft.com...
> Rob:
>
> No one has responded but it appears that unless you have a brand new
> printer
> that is Vista certified, you cannot network print to a printer on a XP
> Home
> or XP Pro network.
>
> THIS SUCKS! MS$ should be ashamed of putting out Vista and not allowing
> it
> to network print to a XP networked printer.
>
> --
> Lee
>
>
> "Rob" wrote:
>
>> I am at my wits end!!
>> I cannot print from my 4 day old Laptop loaded with Vista Home Premium to
>> the printer attached to my XP SP2 Machine. I could print from my
>> previous XP
>> SP2 laptop without problems. On both machines, all firewalls are off,
>> all
>> virus programs are off, all printers are shared, all files are shared,
>> both
>> computers are in the same workgroup, network discovery on, KB922120 is
>> installed on the XP machine, TCP/IPv4 WINS NetBios is enabled over
>> TCP/IP,
>> network is private etc.......
>> What is interesting is that I successfully mapped drives on both PC's and
>> can fully share files in both directions between both computers. So for
>> now
>> I am printing Vista files that I can see from my XP.
>> BUT, I can not browse (in explorer) the XP Computer network from the
>> Vista
>> machine (Permission error, contact administrator - Myself?)
>> I have also tried to enter \\computername\printername\ which gives me
>> (Error
>> 0x0000000D) It looks like I am not alone in the issues in printing from
>> Vista to XP but I haven't seen anyone who has had my problem while being
>> able
>> to actaully see files. Anyone out there know the fix before I return
>> this PC
>> to BestBuy and get the one with XP media Centre Edition for $100 less?

[Bruce]

"Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:

> What make and model printer is it?



The printer is a Canon PIXMA MP830

Bruce
>

[Hugh Wyn Griffith]

OK

I'm not knowledgeable about networking printing and its problems but
there is a lot posted here about them.

AMOI What happens if you plug the printr directly into the laptop --
can you print then?

Personally, especially on a laptop where so many special drivers and
utilities are used, I would not move to VISTA for as long as possible
so if you can get the equivalent machine with XP I'd go for it.

[Rob]

Check this out!!!
I plugged the printer in question (Brother MFC-3420) directly into the Vista
Machine and the device and drivers installed instantly and automatically. I
could immediately print to it directly. So it is not a Printer driver issue.
I then shared the printer (from the Vista machine) back to the XP machine
and immediately could see and it and print to it from the XP machine. I put
everything back the way it was originally and nothing improved. I also tried
Bruce Sanderson's workaround with the "adding a port" per the Shaw
website...nada. I guess it is a networking permission bug. I would hate to
have to do this everytime I need to print from the laptop. I am considering
buying several bluetooth USB's and creating a network between all of my
devices. Ebay for $5.99 each. Thoughts?

Rob



"Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:

> OK
>
> I'm not knowledgeable about networking printing and its problems but
> there is a lot posted here about them.
>
> AMOI What happens if you plug the printr directly into the laptop --
> can you print then?
>
> Personally, especially on a laptop where so many special drivers and
> utilities are used, I would not move to VISTA for as long as possible
> so if you can get the equivalent machine with XP I'd go for it.
>
>

[Hugh Wyn Griffith]

In article <357C9856-8250-4130-97AF-8023755AC913@microsoft.com>, Rob
wrote:
> I guess it is a networking permission bug.

As I said Networking is where I say "Please help me ..... " <g>

Someone here ought to be able to help sort it out or escalate it up to
Redmond -- Jill seems to do that?

I think I saw a message saying they had solved it by making sure both
ends used the same password? And I believe MS changed the default
Workgroup name in VISTA -- anything wrong there? Can you do other
things over the network?