Chess Titans - The Cheating Computer

So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm playing
Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and of
crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing in on
the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know ..
Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the game
is a draw. 8-|

Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)

Doug;
If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king in
check, that is a draw.
That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
> playing
> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and of
> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing in
> on
> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know ..
> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the
> game
> is a draw. 8-|
>
> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)

How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should still
allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it not?

--
Jason

http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878




"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Doug;
> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king in
> check, that is a draw.
> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
>> playing
>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and of
>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing in
>> on
>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know
>> ..
>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the
>> game
>> is a draw. 8-|
>>
>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
>
>

That is what he was saying, there are no "LEGAL" moves available. It is not
legal to move your king into a checked position, it is only checkmate when
he is in a position where he is in check and has no moves to get out of
check.
"Jason" <dsljay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OIMUBfwkGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should
> still allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it not?
>
> --
> Jason
>
> http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
>
>
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Doug;
>> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king in
>> check, that is a draw.
>> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
>> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
>>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
>>> playing
>>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and
>>> of
>>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing
>>> in on
>>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know
>>> ..
>>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the
>>> game
>>> is a draw. 8-|
>>>
>>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
>>
>>
>
>

Maybe I am reading something wrong. He stated that "The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing in on the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move"

To me that does not sound like he was the one that lost. To me, Doug was refering to the computer's King and not his. Doug also stated he had several pieces. Am I missing something else?



"Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9B478FCC-6E75-4FA6-9A04-F784D84035BE@microsoft.com...
> That is what he was saying, there are no "LEGAL" moves available. It is not
> legal to move your king into a checked position, it is only checkmate when
> he is in a position where he is in check and has no moves to get out of
> check.
> "Jason" <dsljay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OIMUBfwkGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should
>> still allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it not?
>>
>> --
>> Jason
>>
>> http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Doug;
>>> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king in
>>> check, that is a draw.
>>> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
>>> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
>>>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
>>>> playing
>>>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and
>>>> of
>>>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing
>>>> in on
>>>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know
>>>> ..
>>>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the
>>>> game
>>>> is a draw. 8-|
>>>>
>>>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Ok, DOug has a few pieces, the computer is down to his king....Doug
"surrounds" him so that the king can not LEGALLY move into any of the spaces
around him, that is if the king were to move into any of those spaces, it
would be putting itself in check, an illegal move. At that point in the
game, there are no more legal moves for the computer so the game is a draw.

If the king were in check and could not make any moves, the king would be
checkmated, and Doug would have won.

"Jason" <dsljay@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:96111968-7A0C-43E7-8F08-B4B7E25E9927@microsoft.com...
Maybe I am reading something wrong. He stated that "The computer is down
just it's King. I start narrowing in on the computers King and it get's to a
point that it can't move"

To me that does not sound like he was the one that lost. To me, Doug was
refering to the computer's King and not his. Doug also stated he had
several pieces. Am I missing something else?



"Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9B478FCC-6E75-4FA6-9A04-F784D84035BE@microsoft.com...
> That is what he was saying, there are no "LEGAL" moves available. It is
> not
> legal to move your king into a checked position, it is only checkmate when
> he is in a position where he is in check and has no moves to get out of
> check.
> "Jason" <dsljay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OIMUBfwkGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should
>> still allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it
>> not?
>>
>> --
>> Jason
>>
>> http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Doug;
>>> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king
>>> in
>>> check, that is a draw.
>>> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
>>> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
>>>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
>>>> playing
>>>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and
>>>> of
>>>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing
>>>> in on
>>>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know
>>>> ..
>>>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the
>>>> game
>>>> is a draw. 8-|
>>>>
>>>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

I truly agree, but I didn't get the impression from Doug that his king was
in a position that it couldn't move safely. He stated that he was moving in
on the computer's king and the game decided to call it a draw instead of
allowing Doug to put the computer's king in check mate. If this is the
case, then Doug should file a bug report.

Chess is a fun game, and I am very happy that it is in beta 2. I am hoping
that it will remain when Vista goes on sale to the public.

"Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6E50D5E1-793D-42E7-BDB9-5F0494EEE5BE@microsoft.com...
> Ok, DOug has a few pieces, the computer is down to his king....Doug
> "surrounds" him so that the king can not LEGALLY move into any of the
> spaces around him, that is if the king were to move into any of those
> spaces, it would be putting itself in check, an illegal move. At that
> point in the game, there are no more legal moves for the computer so the
> game is a draw.
>
> If the king were in check and could not make any moves, the king would be
> checkmated, and Doug would have won.
>
> "Jason" <dsljay@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:96111968-7A0C-43E7-8F08-B4B7E25E9927@microsoft.com...
> Maybe I am reading something wrong. He stated that "The computer is down
> just it's King. I start narrowing in on the computers King and it get's to
> a point that it can't move"
>
> To me that does not sound like he was the one that lost. To me, Doug was
> refering to the computer's King and not his. Doug also stated he had
> several pieces. Am I missing something else?
>
>
>
> "Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9B478FCC-6E75-4FA6-9A04-F784D84035BE@microsoft.com...
>> That is what he was saying, there are no "LEGAL" moves available. It is
>> not
>> legal to move your king into a checked position, it is only checkmate
>> when
>> he is in a position where he is in check and has no moves to get out of
>> check.
>> "Jason" <dsljay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OIMUBfwkGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should
>>> still allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it
>>> not?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Doug;
>>>> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king
>>>> in
>>>> check, that is a draw.
>>>> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
>>>> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
>>>>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
>>>>> playing
>>>>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and
>>>>> of
>>>>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing
>>>>> in on
>>>>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you
>>>>> know
>>>>> ..
>>>>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says
>>>>> the
>>>>> game
>>>>> is a draw. 8-|
>>>>>
>>>>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

What I, and the original responder got from his post was that yes, Doug was
attacking, and got to the stalemate I described...HE(Doug) felt that since
he had caused the Computer into the situation where it could not move he
should have been awarded a WIN, whereas we pointed out that he had not won,
he had caused a DRAW.

We believe that he misunderstands the rules of the game, and since he had a
definate advantage when the game was ended felt he "Won" and called the
computer a cheater when it told him that no, he had not won, but had rather
drawn...



"Jason" <dsljay@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:942F2947-9960-48D9-97F6-B3BEF315151D@microsoft.com...
>I truly agree, but I didn't get the impression from Doug that his king was
>in a position that it couldn't move safely. He stated that he was moving
>in on the computer's king and the game decided to call it a draw instead of
>allowing Doug to put the computer's king in check mate. If this is the
>case, then Doug should file a bug report.
>
> Chess is a fun game, and I am very happy that it is in beta 2. I am
> hoping that it will remain when Vista goes on sale to the public.
>
> "Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6E50D5E1-793D-42E7-BDB9-5F0494EEE5BE@microsoft.com...
>> Ok, DOug has a few pieces, the computer is down to his king....Doug
>> "surrounds" him so that the king can not LEGALLY move into any of the
>> spaces around him, that is if the king were to move into any of those
>> spaces, it would be putting itself in check, an illegal move. At that
>> point in the game, there are no more legal moves for the computer so the
>> game is a draw.
>>
>> If the king were in check and could not make any moves, the king would be
>> checkmated, and Doug would have won.
>>
>> "Jason" <dsljay@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:96111968-7A0C-43E7-8F08-B4B7E25E9927@microsoft.com...
>> Maybe I am reading something wrong. He stated that "The computer is down
>> just it's King. I start narrowing in on the computers King and it get's
>> to a point that it can't move"
>>
>> To me that does not sound like he was the one that lost. To me, Doug was
>> refering to the computer's King and not his. Doug also stated he had
>> several pieces. Am I missing something else?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9B478FCC-6E75-4FA6-9A04-F784D84035BE@microsoft.com...
>>> That is what he was saying, there are no "LEGAL" moves available. It is
>>> not
>>> legal to move your king into a checked position, it is only checkmate
>>> when
>>> he is in a position where he is in check and has no moves to get out of
>>> check.
>>> "Jason" <dsljay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OIMUBfwkGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should
>>>> still allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it
>>>> not?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Doug;
>>>>> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king
>>>>> in
>>>>> check, that is a draw.
>>>>> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
>>>>> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
>>>>>> playing
>>>>>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start
>>>>>> narrowing
>>>>>> in on
>>>>>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> game
>>>>>> is a draw. 8-|
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

It is called STALEMATE, not CHECKMATE.

Pity you took a winning position and turned it into a draw.


--
TimothyP


"Doug" wrote:

> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm playing
> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook and of
> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start narrowing in on
> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you know ..
> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says the game
> is a draw. 8-|
>
> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)

Actually, I did not mean stalemate. I would have said stalemate if I meant
stalemate. It was checkmate as I said in my original post. I moved my queen
into a spot and placed the computers king in check and instead of calling it
a win, it called it a draw. I'm not like a chess guru or aything but I do
understand the rules of Chess.

"Zack Uribe" wrote:

> What I, and the original responder got from his post was that yes, Doug was
> attacking, and got to the stalemate I described...HE(Doug) felt that since
> he had caused the Computer into the situation where it could not move he
> should have been awarded a WIN, whereas we pointed out that he had not won,
> he had caused a DRAW.
>
> We believe that he misunderstands the rules of the game, and since he had a
> definate advantage when the game was ended felt he "Won" and called the
> computer a cheater when it told him that no, he had not won, but had rather
> drawn...
>
>
>
> "Jason" <dsljay@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:942F2947-9960-48D9-97F6-B3BEF315151D@microsoft.com...
> >I truly agree, but I didn't get the impression from Doug that his king was
> >in a position that it couldn't move safely. He stated that he was moving
> >in on the computer's king and the game decided to call it a draw instead of
> >allowing Doug to put the computer's king in check mate. If this is the
> >case, then Doug should file a bug report.
> >
> > Chess is a fun game, and I am very happy that it is in beta 2. I am
> > hoping that it will remain when Vista goes on sale to the public.
> >
> > "Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:6E50D5E1-793D-42E7-BDB9-5F0494EEE5BE@microsoft.com...
> >> Ok, DOug has a few pieces, the computer is down to his king....Doug
> >> "surrounds" him so that the king can not LEGALLY move into any of the
> >> spaces around him, that is if the king were to move into any of those
> >> spaces, it would be putting itself in check, an illegal move. At that
> >> point in the game, there are no more legal moves for the computer so the
> >> game is a draw.
> >>
> >> If the king were in check and could not make any moves, the king would be
> >> checkmated, and Doug would have won.
> >>
> >> "Jason" <dsljay@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:96111968-7A0C-43E7-8F08-B4B7E25E9927@microsoft.com...
> >> Maybe I am reading something wrong. He stated that "The computer is down
> >> just it's King. I start narrowing in on the computers King and it get's
> >> to a point that it can't move"
> >>
> >> To me that does not sound like he was the one that lost. To me, Doug was
> >> refering to the computer's King and not his. Doug also stated he had
> >> several pieces. Am I missing something else?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Zack Uribe" <ZackUribe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9B478FCC-6E75-4FA6-9A04-F784D84035BE@microsoft.com...
> >>> That is what he was saying, there are no "LEGAL" moves available. It is
> >>> not
> >>> legal to move your king into a checked position, it is only checkmate
> >>> when
> >>> he is in a position where he is in check and has no moves to get out of
> >>> check.
> >>> "Jason" <dsljay@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:OIMUBfwkGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>> How is that a draw if there is still moves available? The game should
> >>>> still allow you to place the computer's king in check mate, should it
> >>>> not?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jason
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OCAsoTbkGHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> Doug;
> >>>>> If the king is not currently in check but any move will place the king
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> check, that is a draw.
> >>>>> That is the price you pay for allowing that situation to happen
> >>>>> This is not a bug, it is the rule of Chess.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> >>>>> http://www.dts-l.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Doug" <Doug@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:111B2E4C-DE67-42A4-92DE-8A205541F7E9@microsoft.com...
> >>>>>> So, I'm trying out the games in Vista (Priorities you know) and I'm
> >>>>>> playing
> >>>>>> Chess Titans. I'm doing really good too. Down to the Queen, a Rook
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> crouse my King. The computer is down just it's King. I start
> >>>>>> narrowing
> >>>>>> in on
> >>>>>> the computers King and it get's to a point that it can't move, you
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>> ..
> >>>>>> Checkmate and what does it do? A nice message box comes up and says
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> game
> >>>>>> is a draw. 8-|
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Better turn up the logic debuggin on that one. ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>

"Zack Uribe" wrote:

> What I, and the original responder got from his post was that yes, Doug was
> attacking, and got to the stalemate I described...HE(Doug) felt that since
> he had caused the Computer into the situation where it could not move he
> should have been awarded a WIN, whereas we pointed out that he had not won,
> he had caused a DRAW.
>
> We believe that he misunderstands the rules of the game, and since he had a
> definate advantage when the game was ended felt he "Won" and called the
> computer a cheater when it told him that no, he had not won, but had rather
> drawn...
>
>
>
It's O.K. Zack, "I" understand completely what you are saying, even if
others cannot!

You are right!
Even though I was a bit puzzled myself when playing the game, after reading
your explaination, I now understand completely!

The opposing king may not place itself in check (as we all already know) and
if said king has no other "FREE/LEGAL" places to move, (as is the case stated
earlier) the game must end, in this case, it must "DRAW"!

Cheers Zack,

Lee-roy.

I am just getting back into chess (after a 25 year abstinence). It seems
that I recall that once your opponent gets down to a bare king, you have a
certain number of moves to place him in checkmate otherwise the game ends in
a draw. Am I recalling this correctly ? Does anyone know the number of
moves which are allowed ?

Draw by Repetition: If the same position occurs 3 times (not necessarily on
consecutive moves) with the same player to move, either player may point
this out and claim a draw

Fifty-Move Rule: If either player makes 50 consecutive moves without moving
a pawn or making a capture (irreversible moves), either player may claim a
draw.