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  1. #1
    nemo Guest

    Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium and I am using the
    wireless connection to reach a router to connect to the Internet.
    When I attach a cable for my local network, the connection to the
    Internet is broken. I am still connected to the wireless router, but
    the Internet connection is lost.

    If I disconnect the wired LAN connection the Internet connection
    returns after a while.

    I had been trying to share the Internet connection, but now I just
    want to be able to access both from this machine.

  2. #2
    Bob Campbell Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    "nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:6de423ce-b20b-47ae-b03a-5d6c8b355a0e@w32g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
    >I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium and I am using the
    > wireless connection to reach a router to connect to the Internet.
    > When I attach a cable for my local network, the connection to the
    > Internet is broken. I am still connected to the wireless router, but
    > the Internet connection is lost.


    Why are the 2 networks separate? Run a cable from your wireless router to
    your local network hub. That way you have internet connection thru the
    wire AND you can see your local network when running wireless.

    This is the way I have always done it here.


  3. #3
    nemo Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    On Oct 7, 10:39 am, "Bob Campbell" <b...@bob.bob> wrote:
    > "nemo" <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:6de423ce-b20b-47ae-b03a-5d6c8b355a0e@w32g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > >I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium and I am using the
    > > wireless connection to reach a router to connect to the Internet.
    > > When I attach a cable for my local network, the connection to the
    > > Internet is broken. I am still connected to the wireless router, but
    > > the Internet connection is lost.

    >
    > Why are the 2 networks separate? Run a cable from your wireless router to
    > your local network hub. That way you have internet connection thru the
    > wire AND you can see your local network when running wireless.
    >
    > This is the way I have always done it here.


    Running a wire for a wireless connection kind of defeats the purpose
    of the wireless connection! PCs can and have used more than one
    network interface for many years. There is something goofy about the
    configuration under Vista. I have done this before under Win2k. I
    have even shared a modem over a network under Win2k.

  4. #4
    +Bob+ Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:17:30 -0700 (PDT), nemo <gnuarm@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >Running a wire for a wireless connection kind of defeats the purpose
    >of the wireless connection! PCs can and have used more than one
    >network interface for many years. There is something goofy about the
    >configuration under Vista. I have done this before under Win2k. I
    >have even shared a modem over a network under Win2k.


    nemo:

    Not a direct answer... but Vista definitely has some issues in this
    area. Myself and associates have found it exceedingly difficult even
    to switch from wireless to wired; or in the case of wired, to
    disconnect the cable without Vista going into a hung state. Generally
    you have to disable and enable the cards before making any changes or
    it rarely hooks up correctly.

    One associate finds that he can't even change wireless networks
    without disabling/enabling the network interface. Some folks have
    managed to pull off the switch by issuing an ipconfig/renew. On other
    systems, nothing short of a reboot allows it to happen.

    Perhaps the reboot with both connections hooked up or disable wireless
    -connect wired - enable wireless scenario would work.



  5. #5
    Bob Campbell Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    "nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3bb7f696-e38d-4ad5-bb3e-0b0ebe974e3d@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

    >Running a wire for a wireless connection kind of defeats the purpose
    >of the wireless connection!


    Not at all. There is no reason to have your "local" network separate from
    your "wireless internet connection". It should be the same network. I
    can take my wireless laptop and plug it into the network for faster file
    copies between machines here, because wired 100M networking blows the doors
    off of any wireless connection. When I do this, I still have internet
    access, because my wireless router is connected to my network hub. When
    the big file copy is done, I can unplug the cable and continue with the
    wireless connection. For small files I can just use the wireless
    connection.

    The point is, both wireless and wired can see the internet AND all computers
    here in the house can see each other. Which I use depends on what I am
    doing and where I am doing it.

    There is no need to "share your wireless connection" via Windows Internet
    Connection Sharing. Just connect your wireless router to your network hub.
    All wired computers now have internet access, and all wired and wireless
    computers can see each other. The wifi connection doesn't go away just
    because you plugged in a cable! The added bonus is you don't have to leave
    the "sharing" computer on for the other computers to have internet access.
    Your router handles this.

    Seriously, I don't understand why you want to have 2 separate networks.
    Connect them together and all your troubles are over.


  6. #6
    nemo Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    On Oct 7, 7:31 pm, "Bob Campbell" <b...@bob.bob> wrote:
    > "nemo" <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:3bb7f696-e38d-4ad5-bb3e-0b0ebe974e3d@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > >Running a wire for a wireless connection kind of defeats the purpose
    > >of the wireless connection!

    >
    > Not at all. There is no reason to have your "local" network separate from
    > your "wireless internet connection". It should be the same network. I
    > can take my wireless laptop and plug it into the network for faster file
    > copies between machines here, because wired 100M networking blows the doors
    > off of any wireless connection. When I do this, I still have internet
    > access, because my wireless router is connected to my network hub. When
    > the big file copy is done, I can unplug the cable and continue with the
    > wireless connection. For small files I can just use the wireless
    > connection.
    >
    > The point is, both wireless and wired can see the internet AND all computers
    > here in the house can see each other. Which I use depends on what I am
    > doing and where I am doing it.
    >
    > There is no need to "share your wireless connection" via Windows Internet
    > Connection Sharing. Just connect your wireless router to your networkhub.
    > All wired computers now have internet access, and all wired and wireless
    > computers can see each other. The wifi connection doesn't go away just
    > because you plugged in a cable! The added bonus is you don't have to leave
    > the "sharing" computer on for the other computers to have internet access..
    > Your router handles this.
    >
    > Seriously, I don't understand why you want to have 2 separate networks.
    > Connect them together and all your troubles are over.



    That is right, you don't understand. The Internet connection is in
    one place and the wired network is in another. To do what you are
    suggesting would require me to put everything in one place. Not much
    point to using wireless if I have to run a cable just to put the wired
    connections on the Internet. That is the part you aren't grasping.
    The wired network is not near the Internet connection, so I can't just
    put them all on the same router.

  7. #7
    barman58 Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time


    nemo;855549 Wrote:
    > On Oct 7, 7:31*pm, "Bob Campbell" <b...@xxxxxx> wrote:> > >
    > > > "nemo" <gnu...@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > > >
    > > > news:3bb7f696-e38d-4ad5-bb3e-0b0ebe974e3d@xxxxxx
    > > >> > > > >
    > > > > >Running a wire for a wireless connection kind of defeats the purpose
    > > > > >of the wireless connection!> > > > >
    > > > Not at all. * There is no reason to have your "local" network

    > > separate from
    > > > your "wireless internet connection". * It should be the same

    > > network. * I
    > > > can take my wireless laptop and plug it into the network for

    > > faster file
    > > > copies between machines here, because wired 100M networking blows

    > > the doors
    > > > off of any wireless connection. * When I do this, I still have

    > > internet
    > > > access, because my wireless router is connected to my network

    > > hub. * When
    > > > the big file copy is done, I can unplug the cable and continue

    > > with the
    > > > wireless connection. * For small files I can just use the

    > > wireless
    > > > connection.
    > > >
    > > > The point is, both wireless and wired can see the internet AND

    > > all computers
    > > > here in the house can see each other. * Which I use depends on

    > > what I am
    > > > doing and where I am doing it.
    > > >
    > > > There is no need to "share your wireless connection" via Windows

    > > Internet
    > > > Connection Sharing. * Just connect your wireless router to your

    > > networkhub.
    > > > All wired computers now have internet access, and all wired and

    > > wireless
    > > > computers can see each other. * The wifi connection doesn't go

    > > away just
    > > > because you plugged in a cable! * The added bonus is you don't

    > > have to leave
    > > > the "sharing" computer on for the other computers to have

    > > internet access..
    > > > Your router handles this.
    > > >
    > > > Seriously, I don't understand why you want to have 2 separate

    > > networks.
    > > > Connect them together and all your troubles are over. > >

    > That is right, you don't understand. The Internet connection is in
    > one place and the wired network is in another. To do what you are
    > suggesting would require me to put everything in one place. Not much
    > point to using wireless if I have to run a cable just to put the
    > wired
    > connections on the Internet. That is the part you aren't grasping.
    > The wired network is not near the Internet connection, so I can't
    > just
    > put them all on the same router.


    hi,
    firstly are the local and internet NIC's on the same or different
    subnets? are you attempting to use the laptop as a wireless access point
    for the rest of the local network?
    if you can post back the results of an ipconfig /all that may help
    diagnose a solution


    --
    barman58

    Regards,
    *Nigel*
    the beginning of knowledge is the discovery of something we do not
    understand.,- frank herbert

  8. #8
    Bob Campbell Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    "nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:cb54d150-50b5-4458-a19b-82a1dce2a9ed@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

    >That is right, you don't understand. The Internet connection is in
    >one place and the wired network is in another. To do what you are
    >suggesting would require me to put everything in one place. Not much
    >point to using wireless if I have to run a cable just to put the wired
    >connections on the Internet. That is the part you aren't grasping.
    >The wired network is not near the Internet connection, so I can't just
    >put them all on the same router.



    Ah, OK. Well, all I can say is I would never do it that way. As you
    have discovered, there is not much point to having a wireless network if
    your wired network can't see it. My cable modem/router/wired
    network/hub/desktops/servers are all in the same room. My desktops/servers
    use wired, laptops can use wireless and wired. All can see each other.

    If I was in your situation, I would either call the cable company and get
    another cable drop, or I would be running CAT6 cable along baseboards/under
    carpet/thru walls/whatever I had to do, in order to get my wired and
    wireless networks connected. As you add more
    computers/devices/who-knows-what-is-coming-in-the-future, you will find it
    very convenient to have every device talking to every other device, wired or
    wireless

    As for your original problem, I don't see that here. If I unplug my router
    from my hub, then plug my laptop into the hub, my internet connection
    remains thru the wireless, and I can see the local wired network. So both
    networks are definitely working. The wireless connection goes off for a
    few seconds (gets a yellow icon in the system tray), but it comes back on
    after Vista figures out the networking. In the Network and Sharing Center
    in Control Panel, the wireless connection shows "Local and Internet", the
    wired connection shows "Local only".

    I realize none of the above is much help, but it shows it CAN be done. You
    must have something configured wrong. In the TCP/IPv4 properties for your
    wired connection, there should be no Gateway address or DNS Server address.
    You need only IP Address and Subnet Mask. Are you using Static addresses,
    or is one of your machines handing out address thru DHCP?


  9. #9
    the granter of sina Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    Bob, I have configured many systems with multiple nics, wireless and wire
    all connected to different networks doing various stuff.

    We live in a complex world and many people have different needs even for
    strange configurations like this.

    All this with XP though...

    Indeed many people are having trouble with doing this vista, many people
    complain to me all the time, but im not sure yet if it's the drivers or
    Vista itself...



    "Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message
    news:7pKdnRR5pN2LLXHVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@supernews.com...
    > "nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:cb54d150-50b5-4458-a19b-82a1dce2a9ed@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
    >
    >>That is right, you don't understand. The Internet connection is in
    >>one place and the wired network is in another. To do what you are
    >>suggesting would require me to put everything in one place. Not much
    >>point to using wireless if I have to run a cable just to put the wired
    >>connections on the Internet. That is the part you aren't grasping.
    >>The wired network is not near the Internet connection, so I can't just
    >>put them all on the same router.

    >
    >
    > Ah, OK. Well, all I can say is I would never do it that way. As you
    > have discovered, there is not much point to having a wireless network if
    > your wired network can't see it. My cable modem/router/wired
    > network/hub/desktops/servers are all in the same room. My
    > desktops/servers use wired, laptops can use wireless and wired. All can
    > see each other.
    >
    > If I was in your situation, I would either call the cable company and get
    > another cable drop, or I would be running CAT6 cable along
    > baseboards/under carpet/thru walls/whatever I had to do, in order to get
    > my wired and wireless networks connected. As you add more
    > computers/devices/who-knows-what-is-coming-in-the-future, you will find it
    > very convenient to have every device talking to every other device, wired
    > or wireless
    >
    > As for your original problem, I don't see that here. If I unplug my
    > router from my hub, then plug my laptop into the hub, my internet
    > connection remains thru the wireless, and I can see the local wired
    > network. So both networks are definitely working. The wireless
    > connection goes off for a few seconds (gets a yellow icon in the system
    > tray), but it comes back on after Vista figures out the networking. In
    > the Network and Sharing Center in Control Panel, the wireless connection
    > shows "Local and Internet", the wired connection shows "Local only".
    >
    > I realize none of the above is much help, but it shows it CAN be done.
    > You must have something configured wrong. In the TCP/IPv4 properties for
    > your wired connection, there should be no Gateway address or DNS Server
    > address. You need only IP Address and Subnet Mask. Are you using Static
    > addresses, or is one of your machines handing out address thru DHCP?



  10. #10
    the granter of sina Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    to give you an example of this, on one machine you get the internet from a
    cable, and you "share" it from the wireless network card in ad-hoc mode..

    this is useful if you don't have a router, it's a dirty solution but
    sometimes people need this as a temporary solution and don't have a router
    at hand

    "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
    news:48ecf8a4@newsgate.x-privat.org...
    > Bob, I have configured many systems with multiple nics, wireless and wire
    > all connected to different networks doing various stuff.
    >
    > We live in a complex world and many people have different needs even for
    > strange configurations like this.
    >
    > All this with XP though...
    >
    > Indeed many people are having trouble with doing this vista, many people
    > complain to me all the time, but im not sure yet if it's the drivers or
    > Vista itself...
    >
    >
    >
    > "Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message
    > news:7pKdnRR5pN2LLXHVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@supernews.com...
    >> "nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:cb54d150-50b5-4458-a19b-82a1dce2a9ed@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
    >>
    >>>That is right, you don't understand. The Internet connection is in
    >>>one place and the wired network is in another. To do what you are
    >>>suggesting would require me to put everything in one place. Not much
    >>>point to using wireless if I have to run a cable just to put the wired
    >>>connections on the Internet. That is the part you aren't grasping.
    >>>The wired network is not near the Internet connection, so I can't just
    >>>put them all on the same router.

    >>
    >>
    >> Ah, OK. Well, all I can say is I would never do it that way. As you
    >> have discovered, there is not much point to having a wireless network if
    >> your wired network can't see it. My cable modem/router/wired
    >> network/hub/desktops/servers are all in the same room. My
    >> desktops/servers use wired, laptops can use wireless and wired. All
    >> can see each other.
    >>
    >> If I was in your situation, I would either call the cable company and get
    >> another cable drop, or I would be running CAT6 cable along
    >> baseboards/under carpet/thru walls/whatever I had to do, in order to get
    >> my wired and wireless networks connected. As you add more
    >> computers/devices/who-knows-what-is-coming-in-the-future, you will find
    >> it very convenient to have every device talking to every other device,
    >> wired or wireless
    >>
    >> As for your original problem, I don't see that here. If I unplug my
    >> router from my hub, then plug my laptop into the hub, my internet
    >> connection remains thru the wireless, and I can see the local wired
    >> network. So both networks are definitely working. The wireless
    >> connection goes off for a few seconds (gets a yellow icon in the system
    >> tray), but it comes back on after Vista figures out the networking. In
    >> the Network and Sharing Center in Control Panel, the wireless connection
    >> shows "Local and Internet", the wired connection shows "Local only".
    >>
    >> I realize none of the above is much help, but it shows it CAN be done.
    >> You must have something configured wrong. In the TCP/IPv4 properties
    >> for your wired connection, there should be no Gateway address or DNS
    >> Server address. You need only IP Address and Subnet Mask. Are you using
    >> Static addresses, or is one of your machines handing out address thru
    >> DHCP?

    >


  11. #11
    VistaLava Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time


    i do what ur trying to achieve all day everyday on my Vista laptop, so
    let me just tell you its not a fault of the OS. Heres a quick rundown. I
    have the internet cable modem connected to the wired network, or usb,
    with auto configured IP which successfully comes from the Network
    Provider. I then have manual configured IP address's for the wireless
    network, configuring the box sharing the connection as 192.168.0.1 and
    the other boxes with gateway set to 192.168.0.1 Then on the shared
    connection box i configure to share the connection on the wired adapter
    with the wireless. And it works all the time, everytime, 100% reliable.
    XP used to be flaky on the wireless connection to my PDA especially, but
    Vista is awesome.


    --
    VistaLava

  12. #12
    the wharf rat Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    In article <Br-dnaAixYX6bHbVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@supernews.com>,
    Bob Campbell <bob@bob.bob> wrote:
    >
    >Not at all. There is no reason to have your "local" network separate from
    >your "wireless internet connection". It should be the same network. I


    Security.

    Oh, yeah, that's right, wireless is perfectly secure and so is
    wired networking as long as you only run nice safe Microsoft windows. Never
    mind.


  13. #13
    Ferd Burfel Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    It's just the way I'd set my network up if I was boot legging off my
    neighbor's wireless. :~)

    Ferd

    "Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message
    news:kamdnTVaTbMS6XbVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@supernews.com...
    > "nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:6de423ce-b20b-47ae-b03a-5d6c8b355a0e@w32g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
    >>I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium and I am using the
    >> wireless connection to reach a router to connect to the Internet.
    >> When I attach a cable for my local network, the connection to the
    >> Internet is broken. I am still connected to the wireless router, but
    >> the Internet connection is lost.

    >
    > Why are the 2 networks separate? Run a cable from your wireless router
    > to your local network hub. That way you have internet connection thru
    > the wire AND you can see your local network when running wireless.
    >
    > This is the way I have always done it here.



  14. #14
    Bob Campbell Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time

    "Ferd Burfel" <ferd@burfel.net> wrote in message
    news:Ow95rKnKJHA.3080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > It's just the way I'd set my network up if I was boot legging off my
    > neighbor's wireless. :~)


    Would those neighbors be The Farkle family? Frank and Fanny Farkle,
    Flicker Farkle ("Hi!"), Sparkle Farkle, and the twins Simon and Gar Farkle?


  15. #15
    Ferd Burfel Guest

    Re: Can't use both wired and wireless networking at same time


    "Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message
    news:Q6KdnZX_Uv_QJXLVnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
    > "Ferd Burfel" <ferd@burfel.net> wrote in message
    > news:Ow95rKnKJHA.3080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> It's just the way I'd set my network up if I was boot legging off my
    >> neighbor's wireless. :~)

    >
    > Would those neighbors be The Farkle family? Frank and Fanny Farkle,
    > Flicker Farkle ("Hi!"), Sparkle Farkle, and the twins Simon and Gar
    > Farkle?


    That would be them.

    Fine looking family Frank has there.

    Ferd


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