MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...

Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have my
Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the message "MS
Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this happens, my e-mails
will usually not be available. Also, Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you
have to do is close out of OL and reopen. But it will be short time then The
Message shows again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not have this
problem. I'd like to mention that when I do not have The Message, the search
functions work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).

Following is generally what I have system-wise...
SOFTWARE
- Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office Accounting
7 - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger - MS Streets
2006 - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 - Family
Treemaker 2006
HARDWARE
- MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM

I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the above
helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches, etc. Also,
when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean install.

HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to. Surely
I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would love
to get a fix for this too...

DMills

Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to appear
there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search and whether
these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades. Also post what
you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get the error message.

--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have my
> Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the message "MS
> Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this happens, my
> e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar, Contacts, etc.
> True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen. But it will be
> short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I
> did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that when I do not have The
> Message, the search functions work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>
> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
> SOFTWARE
> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office Accounting
> - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger - MS Streets
> 2006 - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 - Family
> Treemaker 2006
> HARDWARE
> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>
> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the above
> helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches, etc. Also,
> when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean install.
>
> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would love
> to get a fix for this too...
>
> DMills

Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...

PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
settings...
1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst, Bus
Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that INDEXING IS
COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files specified in the
Modify button.
2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options; using
default search settings from install.
3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol Host
has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after opening
OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).

Software install notes...
1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro, have
installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean an
install as possible.
2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line. Doing
clean, full install, not upgrade.

By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a bit.
While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same Phenomenon ("MS
Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur when
OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other applications
(i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others) are open.

I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs in
the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL and
OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be dynamic,
changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to have files
that are not continually changing in size, or character, or whatever? If
that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom from happening.
Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of anyway). Maybe
this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens to. :=(

Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group. Thanks
for any and all help.

DMills

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search and
> whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades. Also
> post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get the error
> message.
>
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have my
>> Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the message
>> "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this happens, my
>> e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar, Contacts, etc.
>> True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen. But it will be
>> short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I
>> did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that when I do not have
>> The Message, the search functions work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer,
>> etc).
>>
>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>> SOFTWARE
>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office Accounting -
>> AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger - MS Streets
>> 6 - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 - Family
>> Treemaker 2006
>> HARDWARE
>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>
>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the above
>> helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches, etc.
>> Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean install.
>>
>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>
>> DMills
>

Hi there,

Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance -> Problem
Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are there any
problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or similar? If so we
might be able to do some investigation ...

Dave Wood


"Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>
> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
> settings...
> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst, Bus
> Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that INDEXING IS
> COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files specified in the
> Modify button.
> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
> using default search settings from install.
> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol Host
> has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after opening
> OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
> Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).
>
> Software install notes...
> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro, have
> installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean an
> install as possible.
> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line. Doing
> clean, full install, not upgrade.
>
> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a bit.
> While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same Phenomenon
> ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur when
> OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others) are
> open.
>
> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs in
> the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL and
> OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be
> dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to
> have files that are not continually changing in size, or character, or
> whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom
> from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of
> anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens
> to. :=(
>
> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
> Thanks for any and all help.
>
> DMills
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
>> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
>> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search and
>> whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades. Also
>> post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get the
>> error message.
>>
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have
>>> my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the
>>> message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this
>>> happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar,
>>> Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen.
>>> But it will be short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista and
>>> Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that when
>>> I do not have The Message, the search functions work really well (i.e.
>>> OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>
>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>> SOFTWARE
>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office Accounting -
>>> AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger - MS Streets
>>> - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 - Family
>>> Treemaker 2006
>>> HARDWARE
>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the above
>>> helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches, etc.
>>> Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean install.
>>>
>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>>
>>> DMills
>>
>

Note: You can only access these dialogs if you use Vista's new view of
Control Panel, which nearly all Outlook users had to abandon long ago. It
hides access to the Mail configuration dialog we need to be able to keep
Outlook functioning.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi there,
>
> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or similar?
> If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>
> Dave Wood
>
>
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>
>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
>> settings...
>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst, Bus
>> Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that INDEXING
>> IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files specified in
>> the Modify button.
>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>> using default search settings from install.
>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol Host
>> has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after opening
>> OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
>> Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).
>>
>> Software install notes...
>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
>> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro, have
>> installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean an
>> install as possible.
>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line. Doing
>> clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>
>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a bit.
>> While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same Phenomenon
>> ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur when
>> OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others)
>> are open.
>>
>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs
>> in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL and
>> OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be
>> dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to
>> have files that are not continually changing in size, or character, or
>> whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom
>> from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of
>> anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens
>> to. :=(
>>
>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>
>> DMills
>>
>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
>>> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
>>> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search and
>>> whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades. Also
>>> post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get the
>>> error message.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Russ Valentine
>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have
>>>> my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the
>>>> message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this
>>>> happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar,
>>>> Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen.
>>>> But it will be short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista
>>>> and Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that
>>>> when I do not have The Message, the search functions work really well
>>>> (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger -
>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 -
>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>> HARDWARE
>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the above
>>>> helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches, etc.
>>>> Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean install.
>>>>
>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>>>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>>>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>>>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>
>>>> DMills
>>>
>>
>

Not to get too off-topic, but I think I have the default Start Menu and
Control Panel setup, and I can get to the Outlook Mail control panel in one
of three ways:
- Type "mail" in the Start Menu;
- Open Control Panel and type "mail" in the search box there;
- Open Control Panel and select the "User Accounts" option.

Would these work for you if you switched back to the default view? Also if
you are using Classic View I think Control Panel -> Problem Reports and
Solutions -> View problem history will get you to the place I mentionned
below.

Dave


"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uiTiFO$bHHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Note: You can only access these dialogs if you use Vista's new view of
> Control Panel, which nearly all Outlook users had to abandon long ago. It
> hides access to the Mail configuration dialog we need to be able to keep
> Outlook functioning.
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
>> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or similar?
>> If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>
>> Dave Wood
>>
>>
>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>
>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
>>> settings...
>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst, Bus
>>> Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that INDEXING
>>> IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files specified in
>>> the Modify button.
>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>>> using default search settings from install.
>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol
>>> Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after
>>> opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
>>> Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).
>>>
>>> Software install notes...
>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
>>> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro, have
>>> installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean an
>>> install as possible.
>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line. Doing
>>> clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>
>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a bit.
>>> While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same Phenomenon
>>> ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur
>>> when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others)
>>> are open.
>>>
>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs
>>> in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL and
>>> OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be
>>> dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to
>>> have files that are not continually changing in size, or character, or
>>> whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom
>>> from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of
>>> anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens
>>> to. :=(
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>>
>>> DMills
>>>
>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
>>>> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
>>>> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search
>>>> and whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades.
>>>> Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get
>>>> the error message.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have
>>>>> my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the
>>>>> message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this
>>>>> happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar,
>>>>> Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen.
>>>>> But it will be short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista
>>>>> and Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that
>>>>> when I do not have The Message, the search functions work really well
>>>>> (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger -
>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 -
>>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches,
>>>>> etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean
>>>>> install.
>>>>>
>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>>>>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>>>>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>>>>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>
>>>>> DMills
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today (3-27-07),
there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working reports. Most, not
all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that time, OL2007 has dumped [15]
times.

Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your help,
and interest...

DMills




"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi there,
>
> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or similar?
> If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>
> Dave Wood
>
>
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>
>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
>> settings...
>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst, Bus
>> Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that INDEXING
>> IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files specified in
>> the Modify button.
>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>> using default search settings from install.
>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol Host
>> has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after opening
>> OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
>> Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).
>>
>> Software install notes...
>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
>> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro, have
>> installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean an
>> install as possible.
>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line. Doing
>> clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>
>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a bit.
>> While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same Phenomenon
>> ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur when
>> OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others)
>> are open.
>>
>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs
>> in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL and
>> OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be
>> dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to
>> have files that are not continually changing in size, or character, or
>> whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom
>> from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of
>> anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens
>> to. :=(
>>
>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>
>> DMills
>>
>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
>>> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
>>> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search and
>>> whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades. Also
>>> post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get the
>>> error message.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Russ Valentine
>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have
>>>> my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the
>>>> message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this
>>>> happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar,
>>>> Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen.
>>>> But it will be short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista
>>>> and Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that
>>>> when I do not have The Message, the search functions work really well
>>>> (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger -
>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 -
>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>> HARDWARE
>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the above
>>>> helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches, etc.
>>>> Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean install.
>>>>
>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>>>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>>>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>>>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>
>>>> DMills
>>>
>>
>

Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the SearchProtocolHost
crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you double-click on a problem
report entry. It may be that it's the same value for every crash or there
may be a few different ones.

You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at davewood@microsoft.com. Then
{hopefully} I can look up your problem report in our database and debug it
....

Dave

"Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today (3-27-07),
> there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working reports. Most, not
> all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that time, OL2007 has dumped
> [15] times.
>
> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your
> help, and interest...
>
> DMills
>
>
>
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
>> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or similar?
>> If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>
>> Dave Wood
>>
>>
>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>
>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
>>> settings...
>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst, Bus
>>> Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that INDEXING
>>> IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files specified in
>>> the Modify button.
>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>>> using default search settings from install.
>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol
>>> Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after
>>> opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
>>> Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).
>>>
>>> Software install notes...
>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
>>> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro, have
>>> installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean an
>>> install as possible.
>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line. Doing
>>> clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>
>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a bit.
>>> While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same Phenomenon
>>> ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur
>>> when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others)
>>> are open.
>>>
>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs
>>> in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL and
>>> OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be
>>> dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to
>>> have files that are not continually changing in size, or character, or
>>> whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom
>>> from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of
>>> anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens
>>> to. :=(
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>>
>>> DMills
>>>
>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
>>>> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
>>>> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search
>>>> and whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades.
>>>> Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get
>>>> the error message.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I have
>>>>> my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get the
>>>>> message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once this
>>>>> happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also, Calendar,
>>>>> Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL and reopen.
>>>>> But it will be short time then The Message shows again. Before Vista
>>>>> and Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that
>>>>> when I do not have The Message, the search functions work really well
>>>>> (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger -
>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 -
>>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches,
>>>>> etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean
>>>>> install.
>>>>>
>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>>>>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>>>>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>>>>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>
>>>>> DMills
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info. There
are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing: 14667760 (most
prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07, 2:12pm EST), there
are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems, and now [19] "MS Outlook"
problems noted. The OL problems seem to have varied Bucket IDs. But the
Search Host probelms are predominently 14667760. How can I help???

DMills


"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the SearchProtocolHost
> crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you double-click on a
> problem report entry. It may be that it's the same value for every crash
> or there may be a few different ones.
>
> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at davewood@microsoft.com.
> Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem report in our database and
> debug it ...
>
> Dave
>
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today (3-27-07),
>> there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working reports. Most, not
>> all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that time, OL2007 has dumped
>> [15] times.
>>
>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your
>> help, and interest...
>>
>> DMills
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
>>> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or similar?
>>> If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>>
>>> Dave Wood
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>
>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times and
>>>> settings...
>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst,
>>>> Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that
>>>> INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files
>>>> specified in the Modify button.
>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>>>> using default search settings from install.
>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol
>>>> Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after
>>>> opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com add-ins;
>>>> Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it seems).
>>>>
>>>> Software install notes...
>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>>>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
>>>> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro,
>>>> have installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as clean
>>>> an install as possible.
>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line.
>>>> Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a
>>>> bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same
>>>> Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur
>>>> when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>>>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others)
>>>> are open.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting" programs
>>>> in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity between OL
>>>> and OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size tends to be
>>>> dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and Indexing want to
>>>> have files that are not continually changing in size, or character, or
>>>> whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom
>>>> from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of
>>>> anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one this
>>>> happens to. :=(
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>>>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>
>>>> DMills
>>>>
>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in the
>>>>> outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting to
>>>>> appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant Search
>>>>> and whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or upgrades.
>>>>> Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get
>>>>> the error message.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I
>>>>>> have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get
>>>>>> the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once
>>>>>> this happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also,
>>>>>> Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL
>>>>>> and reopen. But it will be short time then The Message shows again.
>>>>>> Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like
>>>>>> to mention that when I do not have The Message, the search functions
>>>>>> work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live Messenger -
>>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 -
>>>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates, patches,
>>>>>> etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a clean
>>>>>> install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used to.
>>>>>> Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the only
>>>>>> fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007. Would
>>>>>> love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I just had a look at these buckets. We're still in the process on
investigating, but it appears that this is an issue related to the "Business
Contacts Manager" add-in for Outlook. Did you install this add-on?

I'm really not an expert on Business Contacts Manager but I'm thinking there
may be a workaround to prevent search from indexing its data. I think if you
open the Indexing Options control panel and hit Modify, then under Outlook
there may be a location defined there for BCM. If you disable indexing for
this location then search will stop trying to index your BCM contacts.

Let me know if this helps ...

Dave

"Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O5iXReWcHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info. There
> are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing: 14667760 (most
> prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07, 2:12pm EST), there
> are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems, and now [19] "MS
> Outlook" problems noted. The OL problems seem to have varied Bucket IDs.
> But the Search Host probelms are predominently 14667760. How can I help???
>
> DMills
>
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the SearchProtocolHost
>> crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you double-click on a
>> problem report entry. It may be that it's the same value for every crash
>> or there may be a few different ones.
>>
>> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at davewood@microsoft.com.
>> Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem report in our database and
>> debug it ...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today (3-27-07),
>>> there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working reports. Most, not
>>> all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that time, OL2007 has dumped
>>> [15] times.
>>>
>>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your
>>> help, and interest...
>>>
>>> DMills
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>>>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
>>>> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or
>>>> similar? If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>>>
>>>> Dave Wood
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>>
>>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times
>>>>> and settings...
>>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst,
>>>>> Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that
>>>>> INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files
>>>>> specified in the Modify button.
>>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>>>>> using default search settings from install.
>>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol
>>>>> Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes after
>>>>> opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being complete.
>>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com
>>>>> add-ins; Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it
>>>>> seems).
>>>>>
>>>>> Software install notes...
>>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>>>>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to Vista
>>>>> Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP Pro,
>>>>> have installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get as
>>>>> clean an install as possible.
>>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line.
>>>>> Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a
>>>>> bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same
>>>>> Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur
>>>>> when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>>>>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any others)
>>>>> are open.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting"
>>>>> programs in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity
>>>>> between OL and OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file size
>>>>> tends to be dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search and
>>>>> Indexing want to have files that are not continually changing in size,
>>>>> or character, or whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a way to
>>>>> keep that phenom from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003
>>>>> (that I'm aware of anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the
>>>>> only one this happens to. :=(
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>>>>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>>
>>>>> DMills
>>>>>
>>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in
>>>>>> the outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are starting
>>>>>> to appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for Instant
>>>>>> Search and whether these were clean installs of Office and Vista or
>>>>>> upgrades. Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing Status...
>>>>>> before you get the error message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I
>>>>>>> have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get
>>>>>>> the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once
>>>>>>> this happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also,
>>>>>>> Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of OL
>>>>>>> and reopen. But it will be short time then The Message shows again.
>>>>>>> Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not have this problem. I'd like
>>>>>>> to mention that when I do not have The Message, the search functions
>>>>>>> work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live
>>>>>>> senger - MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop
>>>>>>> Elements v5 - Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates,
>>>>>>> patches, etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for a
>>>>>>> clean install.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used
>>>>>>> to. Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the
>>>>>>> only fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office 2007.
>>>>>>> Would love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I use BCM quite a bit. Neat little program (not that little I guess). I'l
try to uncheck BCM from Search/Indexing. Will let you know. I did sign up
for the "experince" program so that info goes in to you guys.

Thanks again for your help!!!

DMills



"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:unnLFGXcHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I just had a look at these buckets. We're still in the process on
>investigating, but it appears that this is an issue related to the
>"Business Contacts Manager" add-in for Outlook. Did you install this
>add-on?
>
> I'm really not an expert on Business Contacts Manager but I'm thinking
> there may be a workaround to prevent search from indexing its data. I
> think if you open the Indexing Options control panel and hit Modify, then
> under Outlook there may be a location defined there for BCM. If you
> disable indexing for this location then search will stop trying to index
> your BCM contacts.
>
> Let me know if this helps ...
>
> Dave
>
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:O5iXReWcHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info.
>> There are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing: 14667760
>> (most prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07, 2:12pm EST),
>> there are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems, and now [19] "MS
>> Outlook" problems noted. The OL problems seem to have varied Bucket IDs.
>> But the Search Host probelms are predominently 14667760. How can I
>> help???
>>
>> DMills
>>
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the SearchProtocolHost
>>> crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you double-click on a
>>> problem report entry. It may be that it's the same value for every crash
>>> or there may be a few different ones.
>>>
>>> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at davewood@microsoft.com.
>>> Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem report in our database and
>>> debug it ...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today
>>>> (3-27-07), there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working
>>>> reports. Most, not all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that
>>>> time, OL2007 has dumped [15] times.
>>>>
>>>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your
>>>> help, and interest...
>>>>
>>>> DMills
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>>>>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History? Are
>>>>> there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or
>>>>> similar? If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Wood
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times
>>>>>> and settings...
>>>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst,
>>>>>> Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that
>>>>>> INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files
>>>>>> specified in the Modify button.
>>>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search options;
>>>>>> using default search settings from install.
>>>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol
>>>>>> Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes
>>>>>> after opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being
>>>>>> complete.
>>>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com
>>>>>> add-ins; Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off it
>>>>>> seems).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Software install notes...
>>>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method that
>>>>>> installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade" to
>>>>>> Vista Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have WinXP
>>>>>> Pro, have installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying to get
>>>>>> as clean an install as possible.
>>>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line.
>>>>>> Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a
>>>>>> bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same
>>>>>> Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...") occurs.
>>>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur
>>>>>> when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>>>>>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any
>>>>>> others) are open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting"
>>>>>> programs in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity
>>>>>> between OL and OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file
>>>>>> size tends to be dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search
>>>>>> and Indexing want to have files that are not continually changing in
>>>>>> size, or character, or whatever? If that's the case, surely there's a
>>>>>> way to keep that phenom from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or
>>>>>> Office2003 (that I'm aware of anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I
>>>>>> can't be the only one this happens to. :=(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general group.
>>>>>> Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in
>>>>>>> the outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are
>>>>>>> starting to appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for
>>>>>>> Instant Search and whether these were clean installs of Office and
>>>>>>> Vista or upgrades. Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing
>>>>>>> Status... before you get the error message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I
>>>>>>>> have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get
>>>>>>>> the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once
>>>>>>>> this happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also,
>>>>>>>> Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of
>>>>>>>> OL and reopen. But it will be short time then The Message shows
>>>>>>>> again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not have this problem.
>>>>>>>> I'd like to mention that when I do not have The Message, the search
>>>>>>>> functions work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live senger -
>>>>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements v5 -
>>>>>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates,
>>>>>>>> patches, etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for
>>>>>>>> a clean install.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used
>>>>>>>> to. Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the
>>>>>>>> only fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office
>>>>>>>> 2007. Would love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Please let me know if that workaround helps ...

Dave

"Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uPsAEFccHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I use BCM quite a bit. Neat little program (not that little I guess). I'l
>try to uncheck BCM from Search/Indexing. Will let you know. I did sign up
>for the "experince" program so that info goes in to you guys.
>
> Thanks again for your help!!!
>
> DMills
>
>
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:unnLFGXcHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I just had a look at these buckets. We're still in the process on
>>investigating, but it appears that this is an issue related to the
>>"Business Contacts Manager" add-in for Outlook. Did you install this
>>add-on?
>>
>> I'm really not an expert on Business Contacts Manager but I'm thinking
>> there may be a workaround to prevent search from indexing its data. I
>> think if you open the Indexing Options control panel and hit Modify, then
>> under Outlook there may be a location defined there for BCM. If you
>> disable indexing for this location then search will stop trying to index
>> your BCM contacts.
>>
>> Let me know if this helps ...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:O5iXReWcHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info.
>>> There are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing: 14667760
>>> (most prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07, 2:12pm
>>> EST), there are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems, and now
>>> [19] "MS Outlook" problems noted. The OL problems seem to have varied
>>> Bucket IDs. But the Search Host probelms are predominently 14667760. How
>>> can I help???
>>>
>>> DMills
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the SearchProtocolHost
>>>> crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you double-click on a
>>>> problem report entry. It may be that it's the same value for every
>>>> crash or there may be a few different ones.
>>>>
>>>> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at davewood@microsoft.com.
>>>> Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem report in our database and
>>>> debug it ...
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today
>>>>> (3-27-07), there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working
>>>>> reports. Most, not all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that
>>>>> time, OL2007 has dumped [15] times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your
>>>>> help, and interest...
>>>>>
>>>>> DMills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>>>>>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History?
>>>>>> Are there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or
>>>>>> similar? If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Wood
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times
>>>>>>> and settings...
>>>>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook (outlook.pst,
>>>>>>> Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default locations) - note that
>>>>>>> INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do not have the .pst files
>>>>>>> specified in the Modify button.
>>>>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search
>>>>>>> options; using default search settings from install.
>>>>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search Protocol
>>>>>>> Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2] minutes
>>>>>>> after opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed being
>>>>>>> complete.
>>>>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com
>>>>>>> add-ins; Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off
>>>>>>> it seems).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Software install notes...
>>>>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method
>>>>>>> that installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade"
>>>>>>> to Vista Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have
>>>>>>> WinXP Pro, have installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying
>>>>>>> to get as clean an install as possible.
>>>>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line.
>>>>>>> Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a
>>>>>>> bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same
>>>>>>> Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...")
>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not occur
>>>>>>> when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any other
>>>>>>> applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or any
>>>>>>> others) are open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting"
>>>>>>> programs in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity
>>>>>>> between OL and OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file
>>>>>>> size tends to be dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search
>>>>>>> and Indexing want to have files that are not continually changing in
>>>>>>> size, or character, or whatever? If that's the case, surely there's
>>>>>>> a way to keep that phenom from happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or
>>>>>>> Office2003 (that I'm aware of anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I
>>>>>>> can't be the only one this happens to. :=(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general
>>>>>>> group. Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in
>>>>>>>> the outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are
>>>>>>>> starting to appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for
>>>>>>>> Instant Search and whether these were clean installs of Office and
>>>>>>>> Vista or upgrades. Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing
>>>>>>>> Status... before you get the error message.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I
>>>>>>>>> have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I get
>>>>>>>>> the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...". Once
>>>>>>>>> this happens, my e-mails will usually not be available. Also,
>>>>>>>>> Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close out of
>>>>>>>>> OL and reopen. But it will be short time then The Message shows
>>>>>>>>> again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not have this problem.
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to mention that when I do not have The Message, the
>>>>>>>>> search functions work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live senger -
>>>>>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements
>>>>>>>>> - Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates,
>>>>>>>>> patches, etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat for
>>>>>>>>> a clean install.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used
>>>>>>>>> to. Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the
>>>>>>>>> only fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office
>>>>>>>>> 2007. Would love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Last night, after reading your suspicions, I checked the BCM to be excluded
in the Indexing area. Since then, there have been no more dumps. Of
interest, up to that point Bucket ID 14667760 seems to occur 2-3 times for
every Bucket ID 11640871 occurance. Since unchecking BCM in Indexing, there
appear to be no dumps. I'm guessing both of these Bucket IDs are somehow
related.

Maybe related or not,but maybe so, is a little stint of OneNote2007 (trial)
I was looking at. In the stretch of 3/21-23/07, for [4] instances, the
following problems were recorded.
- 3/21/07 4.40pm - Bucket ID: 24290870
- 3/21/07 4.42pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
- 3/21/07 6.49pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
- 3/23/07 8.44pm - Bucket ID: 22428438

Are these related to Indexing? I think I like OneNote, but need to fiddle
with it to see for sure. If I want to use OneNote2007, should I uncheck that
also in Indexing? I uninstalled it while all the other "fun" was going on.
It seems that the last [3] instances are the same ID number. Thoughts on
that? Maybe if I reinstall, uncheck OneNote2007 also in Indexing? What do
you think?

Again, thanks for your help!!!

DMills




"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:O4nORHicHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Please let me know if that workaround helps ...
>
> Dave
>
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uPsAEFccHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I use BCM quite a bit. Neat little program (not that little I guess). I'l
>>try to uncheck BCM from Search/Indexing. Will let you know. I did sign up
>>for the "experince" program so that info goes in to you guys.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help!!!
>>
>> DMills
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:unnLFGXcHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>I just had a look at these buckets. We're still in the process on
>>>investigating, but it appears that this is an issue related to the
>>>"Business Contacts Manager" add-in for Outlook. Did you install this
>>>add-on?
>>>
>>> I'm really not an expert on Business Contacts Manager but I'm thinking
>>> there may be a workaround to prevent search from indexing its data. I
>>> think if you open the Indexing Options control panel and hit Modify,
>>> then under Outlook there may be a location defined there for BCM. If you
>>> disable indexing for this location then search will stop trying to index
>>> your BCM contacts.
>>>
>>> Let me know if this helps ...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O5iXReWcHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info.
>>>> There are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing:
>>>> 14667760 (most prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07,
>>>> 2:12pm EST), there are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems,
>>>> and now [19] "MS Outlook" problems noted. The OL problems seem to have
>>>> varied Bucket IDs. But the Search Host probelms are predominently
>>>> 14667760. How can I help???
>>>>
>>>> DMills
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the SearchProtocolHost
>>>>> crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you double-click on a
>>>>> problem report entry. It may be that it's the same value for every
>>>>> crash or there may be a few different ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at davewood@microsoft.com.
>>>>> Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem report in our database and
>>>>> debug it ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today
>>>>>> (3-27-07), there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working
>>>>>> reports. Most, not all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that
>>>>>> time, OL2007 has dumped [15] times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for your
>>>>>> help, and interest...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>>>>>>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History?
>>>>>>> Are there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or
>>>>>>> similar? If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave Wood
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of times
>>>>>>>> and settings...
>>>>>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>>>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook
>>>>>>>> (outlook.pst, Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default
>>>>>>>> locations) - note that INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do
>>>>>>>> not have the .pst files specified in the Modify button.
>>>>>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search
>>>>>>>> options; using default search settings from install.
>>>>>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search
>>>>>>>> Protocol Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2]
>>>>>>>> minutes after opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing showed
>>>>>>>> being complete.
>>>>>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com
>>>>>>>> add-ins; Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off
>>>>>>>> it seems).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Software install notes...
>>>>>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method
>>>>>>>> that installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade"
>>>>>>>> to Vista Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have
>>>>>>>> WinXP Pro, have installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying
>>>>>>>> to get as clean an install as possible.
>>>>>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line.
>>>>>>>> Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for a
>>>>>>>> bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the same
>>>>>>>> Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...")
>>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not
>>>>>>>> occur when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when any
>>>>>>>> other applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote) or
>>>>>>>> any others) are open.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting"
>>>>>>>> programs in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity
>>>>>>>> between OL and OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file
>>>>>>>> size tends to be dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search
>>>>>>>> and Indexing want to have files that are not continually changing
>>>>>>>> in size, or character, or whatever? If that's the case, surely
>>>>>>>> there's a way to keep that phenom from happening. Didn't happen in
>>>>>>>> WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of anyway). Maybe this'll help.
>>>>>>>> Again, I can't be the only one this happens to. :=(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general
>>>>>>>> group. Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post in
>>>>>>>>> the outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are
>>>>>>>>> starting to appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for
>>>>>>>>> Instant Search and whether these were clean installs of Office and
>>>>>>>>> Vista or upgrades. Also post what you see in Outlook's Indexing
>>>>>>>>> Status... before you get the error message.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if I
>>>>>>>>>> have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I
>>>>>>>>>> get the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...".
>>>>>>>>>> Once this happens, my e-mails will usually not be available.
>>>>>>>>>> Also, Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to do is close
>>>>>>>>>> out of OL and reopen. But it will be short time then The Message
>>>>>>>>>> shows again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not have this
>>>>>>>>>> problem. I'd like to mention that when I do not have The Message,
>>>>>>>>>> the search functions work really well (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live
>>>>>>>>>> ger - MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop
>>>>>>>>>> Elements - Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully the
>>>>>>>>>> above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates,
>>>>>>>>>> patches, etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat
>>>>>>>>>> for a clean install.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I used
>>>>>>>>>> to. Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This is the
>>>>>>>>>> only fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and Office
>>>>>>>>>> 2007. Would love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

From what I can see, these buckets are not related to indexing in any way.
If OneNote is working for you I would carry on using it without changing any
more indexing settings.

I've passed the details of your issue over to the BCM team. I'm glad that
this workaround works for you, even if it does mean you can't do fast
searches for BCM contacts.

Dave


"Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:unc$8LkcHHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Last night, after reading your suspicions, I checked the BCM to be
> excluded in the Indexing area. Since then, there have been no more dumps.
> Of interest, up to that point Bucket ID 14667760 seems to occur 2-3 times
> for every Bucket ID 11640871 occurance. Since unchecking BCM in Indexing,
> there appear to be no dumps. I'm guessing both of these Bucket IDs are
> somehow related.
>
> Maybe related or not,but maybe so, is a little stint of OneNote2007
> (trial) I was looking at. In the stretch of 3/21-23/07, for [4] instances,
> the following problems were recorded.
> - 3/21/07 4.40pm - Bucket ID: 24290870
> - 3/21/07 4.42pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
> - 3/21/07 6.49pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
> - 3/23/07 8.44pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
>
> Are these related to Indexing? I think I like OneNote, but need to fiddle
> with it to see for sure. If I want to use OneNote2007, should I uncheck
> that also in Indexing? I uninstalled it while all the other "fun" was
> going on. It seems that the last [3] instances are the same ID number.
> Thoughts on that? Maybe if I reinstall, uncheck OneNote2007 also in
> Indexing? What do you think?
>
> Again, thanks for your help!!!
>
> DMills
>
>
>
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:O4nORHicHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Please let me know if that workaround helps ...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:uPsAEFccHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>I use BCM quite a bit. Neat little program (not that little I guess). I'l
>>>try to uncheck BCM from Search/Indexing. Will let you know. I did sign up
>>>for the "experince" program so that info goes in to you guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your help!!!
>>>
>>> DMills
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:unnLFGXcHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I just had a look at these buckets. We're still in the process on
>>>>investigating, but it appears that this is an issue related to the
>>>>"Business Contacts Manager" add-in for Outlook. Did you install this
>>>>add-on?
>>>>
>>>> I'm really not an expert on Business Contacts Manager but I'm thinking
>>>> there may be a workaround to prevent search from indexing its data. I
>>>> think if you open the Indexing Options control panel and hit Modify,
>>>> then under Outlook there may be a location defined there for BCM. If
>>>> you disable indexing for this location then search will stop trying to
>>>> index your BCM contacts.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if this helps ...
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:O5iXReWcHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info.
>>>>> There are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing:
>>>>> 14667760 (most prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07,
>>>>> 2:12pm EST), there are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems,
>>>>> and now [19] "MS Outlook" problems noted. The OL problems seem to have
>>>>> varied Bucket IDs. But the Search Host probelms are predominently
>>>>> 14667760. How can I help???
>>>>>
>>>>> DMills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the
>>>>>> SearchProtocolHost crashes. This is one of the fields listed when you
>>>>>> double-click on a problem report entry. It may be that it's the same
>>>>>> value for every crash or there may be a few different ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at
>>>>>> davewood@microsoft.com. Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem
>>>>>> report in our database and debug it ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today
>>>>>>> (3-27-07), there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working
>>>>>>> reports. Most, not all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that
>>>>>>> time, OL2007 has dumped [15] times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for
>>>>>>> your help, and interest...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and Maintenance ->
>>>>>>>> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View Problem History?
>>>>>>>> Are there any problem listed there for "MS Search Protocol Host" or
>>>>>>>> similar? If so we might be able to do some investigation ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave Wood
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of
>>>>>>>>> times and settings...
>>>>>>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>>>>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook
>>>>>>>>> (outlook.pst, Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default
>>>>>>>>> locations) - note that INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I do
>>>>>>>>> not have the .pst files specified in the Modify button.
>>>>>>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search
>>>>>>>>> options; using default search settings from install.
>>>>>>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search
>>>>>>>>> Protocol Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2]
>>>>>>>>> minutes after opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing
>>>>>>>>> showed being complete.
>>>>>>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com
>>>>>>>>> add-ins; Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn off
>>>>>>>>> it seems).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Software install notes...
>>>>>>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method
>>>>>>>>> that installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then "upgrade"
>>>>>>>>> to Vista Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could figure. I have
>>>>>>>>> WinXP Pro, have installed and upgraded from that also. Just trying
>>>>>>>>> to get as clean an install as possible.
>>>>>>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on line.
>>>>>>>>> Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for
>>>>>>>>> a bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the
>>>>>>>>> same Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped working...")
>>>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not
>>>>>>>>> occur when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when
>>>>>>>>> any other applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote)
>>>>>>>>> or any others) are open.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting"
>>>>>>>>> programs in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the similarity
>>>>>>>>> between OL and OneNote is that as long as they are open, the file
>>>>>>>>> size tends to be dynamic, changing all the time. Is it that Search
>>>>>>>>> and Indexing want to have files that are not continually changing
>>>>>>>>> in size, or character, or whatever? If that's the case, surely
>>>>>>>>> there's a way to keep that phenom from happening. Didn't happen in
>>>>>>>>> WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware of anyway). Maybe this'll
>>>>>>>>> help. Again, I can't be the only one this happens to. :=(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general
>>>>>>>>> group. Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post
>>>>>>>>>> in the outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are
>>>>>>>>>> starting to appear there. Make sure you specify your settings for
>>>>>>>>>> Instant Search and whether these were clean installs of Office
>>>>>>>>>> and Vista or upgrades. Also post what you see in Outlook's
>>>>>>>>>> Indexing Status... before you get the error message.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>>>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if
>>>>>>>>>>> I have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min, I
>>>>>>>>>>> get the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped
>>>>>>>>>>> working...". Once this happens, my e-mails will usually not be
>>>>>>>>>>> available. Also, Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to
>>>>>>>>>>> do is close out of OL and reopen. But it will be short time then
>>>>>>>>>>> The Message shows again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I did not
>>>>>>>>>>> have this problem. I'd like to mention that when I do not have
>>>>>>>>>>> The Message, the search functions work really well (i.e. OL,
>>>>>>>>>>> Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live ger -
>>>>>>>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements -
>>>>>>>>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>> the above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all updates,
>>>>>>>>>>> patches, etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always reformat
>>>>>>>>>>> for a clean install.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I
>>>>>>>>>>> used to. Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This
>>>>>>>>>>> is the only fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and
>>>>>>>>>>> Office 2007. Would love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Thanks for your help. The searches in BCM seem to be fast enough for me, so
I guess things are good. This has been the about only weird thing I've run
into with Vista and Office 2007.

Don't think this is a Vista thin specifically, but you never know. While
I've got you for one more minute, there is a thing that has happened alot
with connecting/linking OL2007 and MSO Accounting 2007. When I had OL2003
and MS Acctng 2006 working, I was able to link and see acctng info in OL/BCM
and work with it. Pretty neat actually. Somewhere along the way, don't
remember when actually but about the time I started beta testing for the new
Acctg 2007, when I would link the two (BCM/Acctg), my OL would dump. I could
watch OL start to load, then when BCM started to load, the window would
cloud, then tell me OL stopped (DUH). The only fix once OL started this
behavior was to reformat and reinstall. Though I don't mind so much doing
that, it is time consuming and I wish the linking would work. So long as I
don't link the two apps, things are good. I have not tried it (had the
courage) since I have everything else stable and fast.

I know that at one point, the SQL Server didn't like things. Since, the
latest MSOA2007 uses SQL Express 2005 (I think). I believe that I have the
latest SP2 of that. First, do you know anything about this? As I have not
tried to connect since the last reform/reinst, I don't have any of those
handy Bucket IDs. I can certainly use the two apps unlinked, but seems a
shame for them not to work.

Thanks again for all of your help and patience...

DMills




"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23i72fXkcHHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> From what I can see, these buckets are not related to indexing in any way.
> If OneNote is working for you I would carry on using it without changing
> any more indexing settings.
>
> I've passed the details of your issue over to the BCM team. I'm glad that
> this workaround works for you, even if it does mean you can't do fast
> searches for BCM contacts.
>
> Dave
>
>
> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:unc$8LkcHHA.1340@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Last night, after reading your suspicions, I checked the BCM to be
>> excluded in the Indexing area. Since then, there have been no more dumps.
>> Of interest, up to that point Bucket ID 14667760 seems to occur 2-3 times
>> for every Bucket ID 11640871 occurance. Since unchecking BCM in Indexing,
>> there appear to be no dumps. I'm guessing both of these Bucket IDs are
>> somehow related.
>>
>> Maybe related or not,but maybe so, is a little stint of OneNote2007
>> (trial) I was looking at. In the stretch of 3/21-23/07, for [4]
>> instances, the following problems were recorded.
>> - 3/21/07 4.40pm - Bucket ID: 24290870
>> - 3/21/07 4.42pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
>> - 3/21/07 6.49pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
>> - 3/23/07 8.44pm - Bucket ID: 22428438
>>
>> Are these related to Indexing? I think I like OneNote, but need to fiddle
>> with it to see for sure. If I want to use OneNote2007, should I uncheck
>> that also in Indexing? I uninstalled it while all the other "fun" was
>> going on. It seems that the last [3] instances are the same ID number.
>> Thoughts on that? Maybe if I reinstall, uncheck OneNote2007 also in
>> Indexing? What do you think?
>>
>> Again, thanks for your help!!!
>>
>> DMills
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:O4nORHicHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Please let me know if that workaround helps ...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uPsAEFccHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I use BCM quite a bit. Neat little program (not that little I guess).
>>>>I'l try to uncheck BCM from Search/Indexing. Will let you know. I did
>>>>sign up for the "experince" program so that info goes in to you guys.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your help!!!
>>>>
>>>> DMills
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:unnLFGXcHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I just had a look at these buckets. We're still in the process on
>>>>>investigating, but it appears that this is an issue related to the
>>>>>"Business Contacts Manager" add-in for Outlook. Did you install this
>>>>>add-on?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really not an expert on Business Contacts Manager but I'm thinking
>>>>> there may be a workaround to prevent search from indexing its data. I
>>>>> think if you open the Indexing Options control panel and hit Modify,
>>>>> then under Outlook there may be a location defined there for BCM. If
>>>>> you disable indexing for this location then search will stop trying to
>>>>> index your BCM contacts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if this helps ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O5iXReWcHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Sent you e-mail with pdf attachment of the Bucket ID and other info.
>>>>>> There are two Bucket IDs associated with the Search Host thing:
>>>>>> 14667760 (most prevelent) and 11640871. As of this writting (28Mar07,
>>>>>> 2:12pm EST), there are now [314] "MS Search Protocol Host" problems,
>>>>>> and now [19] "MS Outlook" problems noted. The OL problems seem to
>>>>>> have varied Bucket IDs. But the Search Host probelms are
>>>>>> predominently 14667760. How can I help???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OnprxEOcHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Excellent! Now what I need is the Bucket ID for the
>>>>>>> SearchProtocolHost crashes. This is one of the fields listed when
>>>>>>> you double-click on a problem report entry. It may be that it's the
>>>>>>> same value for every crash or there may be a few different ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can either post the ID(s) or send to me at
>>>>>>> davewood@microsoft.com. Then {hopefully} I can look up your problem
>>>>>>> report in our database and debug it ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23Sld6sLcHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> OK. Have looked at problem reports. Between 2-28-07 and today
>>>>>>>> (3-27-07), there have been [297] Search Protocol Stopped Working
>>>>>>>> reports. Most, not all, have been sent to MS. Of interest, in that
>>>>>>>> time, OL2007 has dumped [15] times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do i need to gather reports and send the whole bunch? Thanks for
>>>>>>>> your help, and interest...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eV8ec98bHHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you take a look in Control Panel -> System and
>>>>>>>>> Maintenance -> Problem Reports and Solutions and then go to View
>>>>>>>>> Problem History? Are there any problem listed there for "MS Search
>>>>>>>>> Protocol Host" or similar? If so we might be able to do some
>>>>>>>>> investigation ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave Wood
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23bdRTMqbHHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice and direction. The info I know right now...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PDF notes (tried to attache screen shots but file too big) of
>>>>>>>>>> times and settings...
>>>>>>>>>> 1.) Page 1 - copy screen at 11:58 pm - Control Panel>Indexing
>>>>>>>>>> Options>Modify - selected locations (MS Office Outlook
>>>>>>>>>> (outlook.pst, Bus Contact Mgr) and Offline Files (default
>>>>>>>>>> locations) - note that INDEXING IS COMPLETE at 144,335 items; I
>>>>>>>>>> do not have the .pst files specified in the Modify button.
>>>>>>>>>> 2.) Page 2 - copy screen at 12:16 am - open OL to get search
>>>>>>>>>> options; using default search settings from install.
>>>>>>>>>> 3.) Page 3 - copy screen at 12:18 am - note that "MS Search
>>>>>>>>>> Protocol Host has stopped working..." error message appeared. [2]
>>>>>>>>>> minutes after opening OL. Barely [15] minutes after indexing
>>>>>>>>>> showed being complete.
>>>>>>>>>> 4.) Page 4 - copy screen at 12:22 am - note settings of OL com
>>>>>>>>>> add-ins; Windows Search e-mail indexer is checked (cannot turn
>>>>>>>>>> off it seems).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Software install notes...
>>>>>>>>>> 1.) Vista Ultimate x86, Upgrade version - installed using method
>>>>>>>>>> that installs not activated, then formats C: drive, then
>>>>>>>>>> "upgrade" to Vista Ultimate x86. This is as clean as I could
>>>>>>>>>> figure. I have WinXP Pro, have installed and upgraded from that
>>>>>>>>>> also. Just trying to get as clean an install as possible.
>>>>>>>>>> 2.) MS Office 2007 Pro - Have downloaded from MS purchase on
>>>>>>>>>> line. Doing clean, full install, not upgrade.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I have installed a trial of OneNote2007 (OneNote) for
>>>>>>>>>> a bit. While OneNote is open, and Outlook2007 (OL) closed, the
>>>>>>>>>> same Phenomenon ("MS Search Protocol Host has stopped
>>>>>>>>>> working...") occurs.
>>>>>>>>>> So I don't think it is exclusively OL. The Phenomenon does not
>>>>>>>>>> occur when OneNote and/or OL are closed. It does not occur when
>>>>>>>>>> any other applications (i.e. Office (not including OL or OneNote)
>>>>>>>>>> or any others) are open.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not a programmer, however, I've dealt with "funny acting"
>>>>>>>>>> programs in the past (esp in beta testing). Anyway, the
>>>>>>>>>> similarity between OL and OneNote is that as long as they are
>>>>>>>>>> open, the file size tends to be dynamic, changing all the time.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it that Search and Indexing want to have files that are not
>>>>>>>>>> continually changing in size, or character, or whatever? If
>>>>>>>>>> that's the case, surely there's a way to keep that phenom from
>>>>>>>>>> happening. Didn't happen in WinXP or Office2003 (that I'm aware
>>>>>>>>>> of anyway). Maybe this'll help. Again, I can't be the only one
>>>>>>>>>> this happens to. :=(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to be so wordy. Posting this also to the outlook.general
>>>>>>>>>> group. Thanks for any and all help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> news:20802125-6273-4800-B47E-A29A6B9EFD2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Since this appears to be an Outlook issue, you should also post
>>>>>>>>>>> in the outlook.general group. Several Instant Search issues are
>>>>>>>>>>> starting to appear there. Make sure you specify your settings
>>>>>>>>>>> for Instant Search and whether these were clean installs of
>>>>>>>>>>> Office and Vista or upgrades. Also post what you see in
>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook's Indexing Status... before you get the error message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>>>>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>>>>>>>> "Mills Architect" <millsaia@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uxS$vQcbHHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the Indexing function of Vista is complete, I find that if
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have my Outlook2007 (OL) open for more than about 10-15 min,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the message "MS Search Protocol Host has stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>> working...". Once this happens, my e-mails will usually not be
>>>>>>>>>>>> available. Also, Calendar, Contacts, etc. True, all you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do is close out of OL and reopen. But it will be short time
>>>>>>>>>>>> then The Message shows again. Before Vista and Office 2007, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> did not have this problem. I'd like to mention that when I do
>>>>>>>>>>>> not have The Message, the search functions work really well
>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. OL, Explorer, etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Following is generally what I have system-wise...
>>>>>>>>>>>> SOFTWARE
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Vista Ultimate x86 - MS Office 2007 Pro - MS Office
>>>>>>>>>>>> Accounting - AutoCAD 2007 LT - Norton 360 - Live ger -
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS Streets - Adobe Acrobat v8 - Adobe Photoshop Elements -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Family Treemaker 2006
>>>>>>>>>>>> HARDWARE
>>>>>>>>>>>> - MachSpeed MoBo - AMD 64 +3700 CPU - 2GB DDR 400 RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other specs I haven't mentioned. Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>>> the above helps. To the best of my knowlege, I have all
>>>>>>>>>>>> updates, patches, etc. Also, when I install a new OS, I always
>>>>>>>>>>>> reformat for a clean install.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HELP. I'd like to be able to have my OL on all the time as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> used to. Surely I'm not the only one with these symptoms. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the only fly-in-the-ointment I've run across with Vista and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Office 2007. Would love to get a fix for this too...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DMills
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>