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    The elder scrolls: Does the Vivec perceived as insane?

    My views have changed greatly over the course of the thread, so if you want to join the discussion, please attempt to grasp the current state of it, not bring this old post up, since I don't agree with this theory any more. When one achieves CHIM, one gets the ability to perceive everything, everywhere all the time. But to do this, you would need to be on a multidimensional timeline, with infinite possibilities that you can choose from and jump in between. This basically means that you pick and choose what you want to do from infinite possibilities: in your mind, this is ultimate power. BUT! There's a big freakin' BUT here: everyone else lives on a linear timeline. Evidence for this?

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    Re: The elder scrolls: Does the Vivec perceived as insane?

    The dragon would never have to break if there didn't have to be one single linear timeline that the whole world perceived. Now, onto the next assumption based on this Vivec is not a god. Vivec runs around in his infinite choices, but he has no idea that it isn't the real world he's in. A god can see all these parallel timelines as well, but a god can also identify the one that is reality, as determined by Akatosh, the true time god. The most telling example for this is that Vivec can perceive time wherever he wants, but only Akatosh (and possibly other gods) has control over the linear timeline.

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    Re: The elder scrolls: Does the Vivec perceived as insane?

    The result of this, when looking at Vivec from the real, linear, timeline, is that Vivec is now completely random. He does not have the ability to focus on true time, so somebody who does not have the ability to perceive the endless parallel timelines will just see the linear rendering of Vivec's actions: which is nonsense and random. The only time he can appear coherent is when a real god finds the timeline Vivec is currently existing in, and nailing it down as his true tim.

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    Re: The elder scrolls: Does the Vivec perceived as insane?

    Then he is just a mortal again. Evidence for gods being able to nail Vivec's timeline down, I find in the Trial of Vivec. In the beginning, Vivec is very cryptic, bordering on unintelligible, but when Sheogorath has appeared, Vivec becomes more and more human, even resorting to threats and quite unsophisticated language, saying things like Not only are you wrong, but you have proven why scholars must enjoy empty beds. To all of you, drop this matter.

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    Re: The elder scrolls: Does the Vivec perceived as insane?

    My theory in all this is that Vivec experiences everything, everywhere at the same time because of his CHIM, but a regular person can only observe one of these eventualities. Thus, anything can occur when perceiving Vivec, because the person perceiving him can't decide by himself which event to watch. It's all random. So the above quote might not have made perfect sense to the people who existed in the same fold of reality at the Trial of Vivec, but in another fold, it would appear like he said it completely non-strangely. Of course, only a god could have chosen by himself to tune in to just this one making-sense" fold. A Dragon-break would arguably mash all these eventualities into one, making Vivecs timeline in to a logical string of actions.

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    Re: The elder scrolls: Does the Vivec perceived as insane?

    This also raises the question of whether Vivec is still a person, or even a god. My view on the subject is that Vivec has become much like the laws of physics, which is the only thing that matches the same criteria of being everywhere at once all the time. One could argue that "no, gods match that criteria as well", but I think not. I think gods have the ability to exist in one fold of reality if they wish, whereas Vivec exists in all of them at the same time, and is not able to decide which action is to be taken where. And, just as with the laws of physics, only people with the correct sense (read: gods) can perceive what Vivec is actually doing, just as only a person with eyes can see.

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