Cannot sign in to messenger or load hotmail sign-in webpage

Cannot sign in to messenger or load hotmail sign-in webpage
login.live.com

Getting Network timeout for hotmail and Msn instant messenger will
not work.

Tried trillian. It kind of worked, but kept knocking me off every few
seconds.

What is odd, it works for people that have direct connection but not
dial-up. My mothers work can access hotmail. They have wireless
access. The two dial up ISP, I tried timed out.

I checked my host file, there is nothing that would block it.

I tried different browsers and neither worked.


Greg

Not sure, but check for a blockage of Omniture/SO7.net and Akima Tech.. Both
are apparently part of the signin process now [and WHY is beyond me...].
Also, make sure you have installed the Security Certificate...

AND, what version of JAVA are you using?
Are you using the https signin?

Messenger was updated [no support for 98], I don't use it so I can't verify
whether that may be a problem.

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"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
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| Cannot sign in to messenger or load hotmail sign-in webpage
| login.live.com
|
| Getting Network timeout for hotmail and Msn instant messenger will
| not work.
|
| Tried trillian. It kind of worked, but kept knocking me off every few
| seconds.
|
| What is odd, it works for people that have direct connection but not
| dial-up. My mothers work can access hotmail. They have wireless
| access. The two dial up ISP, I tried timed out.
|
| I checked my host file, there is nothing that would block it.
|
| I tried different browsers and neither worked.
|
|
| Greg

Should have mentioned that if on phone line, letting the initial sign-in
page run until it stops [takes quite awhile] will cause it to popup the
sign-in screen again.
IF you wait about 30 seconds after the original signup... and click reload,
the signup process will generally finish properly [signed-in]. {look at the
bottom of the browser for the address which indicates its loading the
signed-in page...}

This is exactly like a problem they had approx. five or six months ago...

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"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ui88DfHOJHA.1488@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| Not sure, but check for a blockage of Omniture/SO7.net and Akima Tech..
Both
| are apparently part of the signin process now [and WHY is beyond me...].
| Also, make sure you have installed the Security Certificate...
|
| AND, what version of JAVA are you using?
| Are you using the https signin?
|
| Messenger was updated [no support for 98], I don't use it so I can't
verify
| whether that may be a problem.
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.org
| a Peoples' counsel
| _ _
| ~~
| "Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
| news:6mmjn9Fhdn8gU1@mid.individual.net...
| | Cannot sign in to messenger or load hotmail sign-in webpage
| | login.live.com
| |
| | Getting Network timeout for hotmail and Msn instant messenger will
| | not work.
| |
| | Tried trillian. It kind of worked, but kept knocking me off every few
| | seconds.
| |
| | What is odd, it works for people that have direct connection but not
| | dial-up. My mothers work can access hotmail. They have wireless
| | access. The two dial up ISP, I tried timed out.
| |
| | I checked my host file, there is nothing that would block it.
| |
| | I tried different browsers and neither worked.
| |
| |
| | Greg
|
|

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:06:45 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Not sure, but check for a blockage of Omniture/SO7.net and Akima Tech.. Both
>are apparently part of the signin process now [and WHY is beyond me...].
> Also, make sure you have installed the Security Certificate...
>
> AND, what version of JAVA are you using?
> Are you using the https signin?
>
> Messenger was updated [no support for 98], I don't use it so I can't verify
>whether that may be a problem.

Are you saying that people who have windows 98 will not be able to use
instant msn messenger anymore even if they use a 3rd party like
trillian? There are Linux users that use something else to connect
to msn.

I hope microsoft is not blocking hotmail and instant messenger from
people that are still using windows 98se.

What Security Certificate?

Greg

"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:6mnd2pFhndd7U1@mid.individual.net...
| On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:06:45 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| wrote:
|
| >Not sure, but check for a blockage of Omniture/SO7.net and Akima Tech..
Both
| >are apparently part of the signin process now [and WHY is beyond me...].
| > Also, make sure you have installed the Security Certificate...
| >
| > AND, what version of JAVA are you using?
| > Are you using the https signin?
| >
| > Messenger was updated [no support for 98], I don't use it so I can't
verify
| >whether that may be a problem.
|
| Are you saying that people who have windows 98 will not be able to use
| instant msn messenger anymore even if they use a 3rd party like
| trillian? There are Linux users that use something else to connect
| to msn.

No.. at least not yet.

What I attempted to supply was the method and requirements for
Hotmail/LIVE...
The servers have been modified again. The method I provided works, just
checked it again.
The system checks and other {DRM ?, etc.} [what's going on during the login
delay] are causing login failures over phonelines (too slow with the
transfer in<>out)..

|
| I hope microsoft is not blocking hotmail and instant messenger from
| people that are still using windows 98se.

Again, not yet... say you didn't make the mistake of filling out those
supposed LIVE/MSN/HOTMAIL scam forms being sent the last week or so did you?

There was an official Notice sent concerning Messenger service,, and there
is some info on LIVE - MSN concerning it. Might want to check...

|
| What Security Certificate?

The one needed to access the site/service. If yours is outdated you won't
be able to login. Try using the https entry point, it will advise you if the
certificate is outdated. Install it if offered, should be good until 2009
[unless its compromised again]

|
| Greg

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:00:14 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:6mnd2pFhndd7U1@mid.individual.net...
>| On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:06:45 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
>| wrote:
>|
>| >Not sure, but check for a blockage of Omniture/SO7.net and Akima Tech..
>Both
>| >are apparently part of the signin process now [and WHY is beyond me...].
>| > Also, make sure you have installed the Security Certificate...
>| >
>| > AND, what version of JAVA are you using?
>| > Are you using the https signin?
>| >
>| > Messenger was updated [no support for 98], I don't use it so I can't
>verify
>| >whether that may be a problem.
>|
>| Are you saying that people who have windows 98 will not be able to use
>| instant msn messenger anymore even if they use a 3rd party like
>| trillian? There are Linux users that use something else to connect
>| to msn.
>
> No.. at least not yet.
>
> What I attempted to supply was the method and requirements for
>Hotmail/LIVE...
> The servers have been modified again. The method I provided works, just
>checked it again.
> The system checks and other {DRM ?, etc.} [what's going on during the login
>delay] are causing login failures over phonelines (too slow with the
>transfer in<>out)..
>
>|
>| I hope microsoft is not blocking hotmail and instant messenger from
>| people that are still using windows 98se.
>
> Again, not yet... say you didn't make the mistake of filling out those
>supposed LIVE/MSN/HOTMAIL scam forms being sent the last week or so did you?
>
> There was an official Notice sent concerning Messenger service,, and there
>is some info on LIVE - MSN concerning it. Might want to check...
>
>|
>| What Security Certificate?
>
> The one needed to access the site/service. If yours is outdated you won't
>be able to login. Try using the https entry point, it will advise you if the
>certificate is outdated. Install it if offered, should be good until 2009
>[unless its compromised again]
>
>|
>| Greg



Since, I use outpost free version. I think the problem is
all-routers.mcast.net


Now to figure out hot to force outpost to accept that.

Update

Stealth Mode Block RST IEXPLORE.EXE mail.live.com HTTP
Outbound TCP


Stealth Mode Block RST FIREFOX.EXE www.hotmail.com HTTP
Outbound TCP

Strange. When I put outpost in disable mode. This is what showed
up.

Running shield ups in without outpost disable mode
All ports open.


Running shield up in with outpost shutdown and exited

Then it shows
Port 314-319, 384-415,432-437 blocked
Hotmail works, instant messenger works.

However, it does not work on IE. Go figure.
It just does not load-no error message.

Running shield up in Rule wizzard
Ports closed are 113, 1025, 1026, 1029, 1030
The rest are stealth.

I still think it has something to do with
all-routers.mcast.net

"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:6momupFhj94aU1@mid.individual.net...
| Update
|
| Stealth Mode Block RST IEXPLORE.EXE mail.live.com HTTP
| Outbound TCP
|
|
| Stealth Mode Block RST FIREFOX.EXE www.hotmail.com HTTP
| Outbound TCP
|
| Strange. When I put outpost in disable mode. This is what showed
| up.
|
| Running shield ups in without outpost disable mode
| All ports open.
|
|
| Running shield up in with outpost shutdown and exited
|
| Then it shows
| Port 314-319, 384-415,432-437 blocked
| Hotmail works, instant messenger works.
|
| However, it does not work on IE. Go figure.
| It just does not load-no error message.
|
| Running shield up in Rule wizzard
| Ports closed are 113, 1025, 1026, 1029, 1030
| The rest are stealth.
|
| I still think it has something to do with
| all-routers.mcast.net
|

What else do you have installed in your system?

You running a HOSTS file too???

What AV program??

Any special settings you applied?

Looks like either you re-configured your firewall or it needs modified, OR
you are experiencing conflicts between installed applications.

all-routers.mcast.net should be blocked if on phoneline ; if you have it
locally [meaning just on your ISP] then its the function that keeps the
routers [theirs and yours] synchronized and sharing common information
{something like: 10.1.3.2 and 10.1.3.3 to all-routers.mcast.net on port
1985 - CISCO}, OR it can be a phone-home application, OR a security risk...
[depends upon just what uses it to connect]

See here:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....org%26rnum%3D3

http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/sp...er/002824.html

Search on one of the search engines for all-routers.mcast.net, it is
discussed quite often.

You have me puzzled, you indicated that it worked [Hotmail and Messenger]
with another "hi-speed" connection, but not with yours,,, so what is your
connection [style and ISP]?

DO? YOU? HAVE? A? ROUTER????


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http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:35:27 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:6momupFhj94aU1@mid.individual.net...
>| Update
>|
>| Stealth Mode Block RST IEXPLORE.EXE mail.live.com HTTP
>| Outbound TCP
>|
>|
>| Stealth Mode Block RST FIREFOX.EXE www.hotmail.com HTTP
>| Outbound TCP
>|
>| Strange. When I put outpost in disable mode. This is what showed
>| up.
>|
>| Running shield ups in without outpost disable mode
>| All ports open.
>|
>|
>| Running shield up in with outpost shutdown and exited
>|
>| Then it shows
>| Port 314-319, 384-415,432-437 blocked
>| Hotmail works, instant messenger works.
>|
>| However, it does not work on IE. Go figure.
>| It just does not load-no error message.
>|
>| Running shield up in Rule wizzard
>| Ports closed are 113, 1025, 1026, 1029, 1030
>| The rest are stealth.
>|
>| I still think it has something to do with
>| all-routers.mcast.net
>|
>
> What else do you have installed in your system?
>
> You running a HOSTS file too???
>
> What AV program??
>
>Any special settings you applied?
>
>Looks like either you re-configured your firewall or it needs modified, OR
>you are experiencing conflicts between installed applications.
>
>all-routers.mcast.net should be blocked if on phoneline ; if you have it
>locally [meaning just on your ISP] then its the function that keeps the
>routers [theirs and yours] synchronized and sharing common information
>{something like: 10.1.3.2 and 10.1.3.3 to all-routers.mcast.net on port
>1985 - CISCO}, OR it can be a phone-home application, OR a security risk...
>[depends upon just what uses it to connect]
>
>See here:
>http://groups.google.com/group/comp....org%26rnum%3D3
>
>http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/sp...er/002824.html
>
> Search on one of the search engines for all-routers.mcast.net, it is
>discussed quite often.
>
> You have me puzzled, you indicated that it worked [Hotmail and Messenger]
>with another "hi-speed" connection, but not with yours,,, so what is your
>connection [style and ISP]?
>
>DO? YOU? HAVE? A? ROUTER????

Thank you for your help.

Unfortunately still on dial-up. I fixed the problem. It had
something to do with outpost firewall. I uninstalled it and the
reinstalled the program and now everything is fine.


I think what happen is when I restored the computer last week, the
files of outpost did not restore correctly. Some files became
corrupted and some how blocked login.live.com which also blocks msn
instant messenger. Ironically at the same time, some people were
having problems connecting to msn instant messenger.

Greg

Glad you got it worked out, and posted back with the answer to your issue.
Thanks

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"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:6mpq20Fi2pabU1@mid.individual.net...
| On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:35:27 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| wrote:
|
| >"Greg" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
| >news:6momupFhj94aU1@mid.individual.net...
| >| Update
| >|
| >| Stealth Mode Block RST IEXPLORE.EXE mail.live.com HTTP
| >| Outbound TCP
| >|
| >|
| >| Stealth Mode Block RST FIREFOX.EXE www.hotmail.com HTTP
| >| Outbound TCP
| >|
| >| Strange. When I put outpost in disable mode. This is what showed
| >| up.
| >|
| >| Running shield ups in without outpost disable mode
| >| All ports open.
| >|
| >|
| >| Running shield up in with outpost shutdown and exited
| >|
| >| Then it shows
| >| Port 314-319, 384-415,432-437 blocked
| >| Hotmail works, instant messenger works.
| >|
| >| However, it does not work on IE. Go figure.
| >| It just does not load-no error message.
| >|
| >| Running shield up in Rule wizzard
| >| Ports closed are 113, 1025, 1026, 1029, 1030
| >| The rest are stealth.
| >|
| >| I still think it has something to do with
| >| all-routers.mcast.net
| >|
| >
| > What else do you have installed in your system?
| >
| > You running a HOSTS file too???
| >
| > What AV program??
| >
| >Any special settings you applied?
| >
| >Looks like either you re-configured your firewall or it needs modified,
OR
| >you are experiencing conflicts between installed applications.
| >
| >all-routers.mcast.net should be blocked if on phoneline ; if you have it
| >locally [meaning just on your ISP] then its the function that keeps the
| >routers [theirs and yours] synchronized and sharing common information
| >{something like: 10.1.3.2 and 10.1.3.3 to all-routers.mcast.net on port
| >1985 - CISCO}, OR it can be a phone-home application, OR a security
risk...
| >[depends upon just what uses it to connect]
| >
| >See here:
|
>http://groups.google.com/group/comp...._frm/thread/90
ad815bb158c585?hl=nl&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Drouters
..mcast.net%26hl%3Dnl%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D5qr5ja-pnt.l
n%2540voodoomagicbox.dyndns.org%26rnum%3D3
| >
| >http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/sp...er/002824.html
| >
| > Search on one of the search engines for all-routers.mcast.net, it is
| >discussed quite often.
| >
| > You have me puzzled, you indicated that it worked [Hotmail and
Messenger]
| >with another "hi-speed" connection, but not with yours,,, so what is your
| >connection [style and ISP]?
| >
| >DO? YOU? HAVE? A? ROUTER????
|
| Thank you for your help.
|
| Unfortunately still on dial-up. I fixed the problem. It had
| something to do with outpost firewall. I uninstalled it and the
| reinstalled the program and now everything is fine.
|
|
| I think what happen is when I restored the computer last week, the
| files of outpost did not restore correctly. Some files became
| corrupted and some how blocked login.live.com which also blocks msn
| instant messenger. Ironically at the same time, some people were
| having problems connecting to msn instant messenger.
|
| Greg