SBS2003 - Standard.....changing the Administrator password

Good morning!

Should be a simple question, but.....

I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password to the
Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer synchs with the DSRM
password and that you will get a bunch of Event ID errors.

Generally, I would say that I would not want the Administrator account
password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator password (that is how I
have things set up in "normal" Windows.....).

But, SBS is a different animal.

Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?

Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use the wizard
and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that there is any
confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003
environments and changing the Administrator password process seems to be one
of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me (have not tried it
anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this 'synch' issue with the DSRM
password out of my head).

Thanks,

Cary

Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html

"Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Good morning!
>
> Should be a simple question, but.....
>
> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password to the
> Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer synchs with the
> DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of Event ID errors.
>
> Generally, I would say that I would not want the Administrator account
> password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator password (that is how I
> have things set up in "normal" Windows.....).
>
> But, SBS is a different animal.
>
> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>
> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use the
> wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that there is any
> confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003
> environments and changing the Administrator password process seems to be
> one of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me (have not
> tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this 'synch' issue
> with the DSRM password out of my head).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cary
>

"SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>
> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>
> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
> news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Good morning!
>>
>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>
>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password to the
>> Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer synchs with the
>> DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of Event ID errors.
>>
>> Generally, I would say that I would not want the Administrator account
>> password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator password (that is how I
>> have things set up in "normal" Windows.....).
>>
>> But, SBS is a different animal.
>>
>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>
>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use the
>> wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that there is
>> any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of
>> SBS2003 environments and changing the Administrator password process
>> seems to be one of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me
>> (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this
>> 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out of my head).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cary
>>
>
>

SBSGolfer,

Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I know how
to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I have done this
literally hundreds of times).

I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM Adminstrators
account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same. That they synch up
somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.

This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.

Thanks,

Cary


"SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>
> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>
> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
> news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Good morning!
>>
>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>
>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password to the
>> Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer synchs with the
>> DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of Event ID errors.
>>
>> Generally, I would say that I would not want the Administrator account
>> password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator password (that is how I
>> have things set up in "normal" Windows.....).
>>
>> But, SBS is a different animal.
>>
>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>
>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use the
>> wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that there is
>> any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of
>> SBS2003 environments and changing the Administrator password process
>> seems to be one of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me
>> (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this
>> 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out of my head).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cary
>>
>
>

Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's account is left
active and the password is changed every 30-90 days (depending on the shop)
with no problems. As with anything, just make sure you have a good backup
of your system state so you can restore AD if necessary.

-Cliff


"Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> SBSGolfer,
>
> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I know how
> to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I have done this
> literally hundreds of times).
>
> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM Adminstrators
> account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same. That they synch up
> somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>
> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cary
>
>
> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>
>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>
>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>> news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>
>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password to the
>>> Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer synchs with the
>>> DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of Event ID errors.
>>>
>>> Generally, I would say that I would not want the Administrator account
>>> password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator password (that is how
>>> I have things set up in "normal" Windows.....).
>>>
>>> But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>
>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use the
>>> wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that there is
>>> any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of
>>> SBS2003 environments and changing the Administrator password process
>>> seems to be one of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me
>>> (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this
>>> 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out of my head).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Cary
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Cliff,

Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head. I know
that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be that I am
remember a little of this and a little of that and somehow my old, tired
brain came up with this.

Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003 environments
and see if anything happens in the event logs (not that I do not trust what
you are saying...I do!).

Then I will go wild!

NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state happens every
night.

Thanks,

Cary
"Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's account is
> left active and the password is changed every 30-90 days (depending on the
> shop) with no problems. As with anything, just make sure you have a good
> backup of your system state so you can restore AD if necessary.
>
> -Cliff
>
>
> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
> news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> SBSGolfer,
>>
>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I know
>> how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I have done
>> this literally hundreds of times).
>>
>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM Adminstrators
>> account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same. That they synch up
>> somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>
>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cary
>>
>>
>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>
>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>
>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Good morning!
>>>>
>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>
>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password to
>>>> the Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer synchs with
>>>> the DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of Event ID errors.
>>>>
>>>> Generally, I would say that I would not want the Administrator account
>>>> password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator password (that is how
>>>> I have things set up in "normal" Windows.....).
>>>>
>>>> But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use the
>>>> wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that there is
>>>> any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of
>>>> SBS2003 environments and changing the Administrator password process
>>>> seems to be one of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me
>>>> (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this
>>>> 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out of my head).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Cary
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

From an old article;


If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application of SBS 2003
SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the Administrator password will no
longer sync automagically with the DSRM password and we are now like 'normal'
Windows Server in this behavior. It can however, be manually adjusted
following this KB:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672. We expect to
have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a later date.

:)


Cary Shultz wrote:
> Cliff,
>
> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head. I
> know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be that
> I am remember a little of this and a little of that and somehow my
> old, tired brain came up with this.
>
> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not that
> I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>
> Then I will go wild!
>
> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state happens
> every night.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cary
> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's account
>> is left active and the password is changed every 30-90 days
>> (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with anything, just
>> make sure you have a good backup of your system state so you can
>> restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>
>>
>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>> news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I
>>> know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I
>>> have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>
>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same. That
>>> they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>>
>>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Cary
>>>
>>>
>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>
>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>
>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>
>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password
>>>>> to the Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer
>>>>> synchs with the DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of
>>>>> Event ID errors. Generally, I would say that I would not want the
>>>>> Administrator
>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use
>>>>> the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that
>>>>> there is any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal
>>>>> with a lot of SBS2003 environments and changing the Administrator
>>>>> password process seems to be one of the (maybe not so) few things
>>>>> that seems to elude me (have not tried it anywhere yet because I
>>>>> can not seem to get this 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out
>>>>> of my head). Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary

--
/kj

KJ,

That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember things but
do not know why I am remembering them!

Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.

Cary

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> From an old article;
>
>
> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application of SBS
> 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the Administrator password will
> no longer sync automagically with the DSRM password and we are now like
> 'normal' Windows Server in this behavior. It can however, be manually
> adjusted following this KB:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672. We expect
> to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a later date.
>
> :)
>
>
> Cary Shultz wrote:
>> Cliff,
>>
>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head. I
>> know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be that
>> I am remember a little of this and a little of that and somehow my
>> old, tired brain came up with this.
>>
>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not that
>> I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>
>> Then I will go wild!
>>
>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state happens
>> every night.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cary
>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's account
>>> is left active and the password is changed every 30-90 days
>>> (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with anything, just
>>> make sure you have a good backup of your system state so you can
>>> restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>
>>>
>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I
>>>> know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I
>>>> have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>
>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>>>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same. That
>>>> they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>>>
>>>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Cary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the password
>>>>>> to the Administrator account. That issue is that it no longer
>>>>>> synchs with the DSRM password and that you will get a bunch of
>>>>>> Event ID errors. Generally, I would say that I would not want the
>>>>>> Administrator
>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2) use
>>>>>> the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in case that
>>>>>> there is any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-) I deal
>>>>>> with a lot of SBS2003 environments and changing the Administrator
>>>>>> password process seems to be one of the (maybe not so) few things
>>>>>> that seems to elude me (have not tried it anywhere yet because I
>>>>>> can not seem to get this 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out
>>>>>> of my head). Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cary
>
> --
> /kj
>

Cary,

Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it was dated.
;-)


Cary Shultz wrote:
> KJ,
>
> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember
> things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>
> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.
>
> Cary
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> From an old article;
>>
>>
>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application of
>> SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the Administrator
>> password will no longer sync automagically with the DSRM password
>> and we are now like 'normal' Windows Server in this behavior. It can
>> however, be manually adjusted following this KB:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672. We
>> expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a later
>> date. :)
>>
>>
>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>> Cliff,
>>>
>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head. I
>>> know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be that
>>> I am remember a little of this and a little of that and somehow my
>>> old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>
>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not that
>>> I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>
>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>
>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state happens
>>> every night.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Cary
>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's account
>>>> is left active and the password is changed every 30-90 days
>>>> (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with anything, just
>>>> make sure you have a good backup of your system state so you can
>>>> restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I
>>>>> know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I
>>>>> have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>>>>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same.
>>>>> That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that it
>>>>>>> no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you will get a
>>>>>>> bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would say that I would
>>>>>>> not want the Administrator
>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2)
>>>>>>> use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in
>>>>>>> case that there is any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-)
>>>>>>> I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments and changing the
>>>>>>> Administrator password process seems to be one of the (maybe
>>>>>>> not so) few things that seems to elude me (have not tried it
>>>>>>> anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this 'synch' issue
>>>>>>> with the DSRM password out of my head). Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cary
>>
>> --
>> /kj

--
/kj

KJ,

True - but the people with whom I work question everything and want
documentation. Which is a really good thing. I just could not find
anything...so, that link that you provided was the "smoking gun" that I
needed.

BTW - did a patch every get released?

I am going to be changing the Administrator password shortly for about 15
SBS2003 environments. Naturally, not all at once...one by one and then deal
with the issues and then move on to the next one.

Thanks - as always!

Cary
"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Oy$N3guVJHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Cary,
>
> Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it was dated.
> ;-)
>
>
> Cary Shultz wrote:
>> KJ,
>>
>> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember
>> things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>>
>> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.
>>
>> Cary
>>
>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> From an old article;
>>>
>>>
>>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application of
>>> SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the Administrator
>>> password will no longer sync automagically with the DSRM password
>>> and we are now like 'normal' Windows Server in this behavior. It can
>>> however, be manually adjusted following this KB:
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672. We
>>> expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a later
>>> date. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>> Cliff,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head. I
>>>> know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be that
>>>> I am remember a little of this and a little of that and somehow my
>>>> old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not that
>>>> I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>>
>>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>>
>>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state happens
>>>> every night.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Cary
>>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's account
>>>>> is left active and the password is changed every 30-90 days
>>>>> (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with anything, just
>>>>> make sure you have a good backup of your system state so you can
>>>>> restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I
>>>>>> know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in WIN2003...I
>>>>>> have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>>>>>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same.
>>>>>> That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that it
>>>>>>>> no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you will get a
>>>>>>>> bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would say that I would
>>>>>>>> not want the Administrator
>>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2)
>>>>>>>> use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in
>>>>>>>> case that there is any confusion anywhere - use the wizard! ;-)
>>>>>>>> I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments and changing the
>>>>>>>> Administrator password process seems to be one of the (maybe
>>>>>>>> not so) few things that seems to elude me (have not tried it
>>>>>>>> anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this 'synch' issue
>>>>>>>> with the DSRM password out of my head). Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>
>>> --
>>> /kj
>
> --
> /kj
>

Cary Shultz wrote:
> KJ,
>
> True - but the people with whom I work question everything and want
> documentation. Which is a really good thing. I just could not find
> anything...so, that link that you provided was the "smoking gun" that
> I needed.

I hear you. I need a massive link library database some days. Thankfully
google already does that quite well.

>
> BTW - did a patch every get released?

TTBOMK, No. I think it was dropped for whatever reason.

>
> I am going to be changing the Administrator password shortly for
> about 15 SBS2003 environments. Naturally, not all at once...one by
> one and then deal with the issues and then move on to the next one.
>

Somewhere there was a cool script for changing both AD & DSRM at the same
time to the same value without fear of typo.

Probably one of Pauls. I'll try and look in that other library of mine
(scripts).

> Thanks - as always!
>
> Cary
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Oy$N3guVJHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Cary,
>>
>> Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it was
>> dated. ;-)
>>
>>
>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>> KJ,
>>>
>>> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember
>>> things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>>>
>>> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.
>>>
>>> Cary
>>>
>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> From an old article;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application of
>>>> SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the Administrator
>>>> password will no longer sync automagically with the DSRM password
>>>> and we are now like 'normal' Windows Server in this behavior. It
>>>> can however, be manually adjusted following this KB:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672. We
>>>> expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a later
>>>> date. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>> Cliff,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head.
>>>>> I know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be
>>>>> that I am remember a little of this and a little of that and
>>>>> somehow my old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not
>>>>> that I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>>>
>>>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state
>>>>> happens every night.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary
>>>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's
>>>>>> account is left active and the password is changed every 30-90
>>>>>> days (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with
>>>>>> anything, just make sure you have a good backup of your system
>>>>>> state so you can restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I
>>>>>>> know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in
>>>>>>> WIN2003...I have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>>>>>>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same.
>>>>>>> That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that it
>>>>>>>>> no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you will get
>>>>>>>>> a bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would say that I
>>>>>>>>> would not want the Administrator
>>>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2)
>>>>>>>>> use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in
>>>>>>>>> case that there is any confusion anywhere - use the wizard!
>>>>>>>>> ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments and changing the
>>>>>>>>> Administrator password process seems to be one of the (maybe
>>>>>>>>> not so) few things that seems to elude me (have not tried it
>>>>>>>>> anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this 'synch' issue
>>>>>>>>> with the DSRM password out of my head). Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> /kj
>>
>> --
>> /kj

--
/kj

Paul Williams? - I will check with him....er, his web site.

Or, Paul Bergson? I will check on his web site as well....

Thanks,

Cary

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23Vu$%23MxVJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Cary Shultz wrote:
>> KJ,
>>
>> True - but the people with whom I work question everything and want
>> documentation. Which is a really good thing. I just could not find
>> anything...so, that link that you provided was the "smoking gun" that
>> I needed.
>
> I hear you. I need a massive link library database some days. Thankfully
> google already does that quite well.
>
>>
>> BTW - did a patch every get released?
>
> TTBOMK, No. I think it was dropped for whatever reason.
>
>>
>> I am going to be changing the Administrator password shortly for
>> about 15 SBS2003 environments. Naturally, not all at once...one by
>> one and then deal with the issues and then move on to the next one.
>>
>
> Somewhere there was a cool script for changing both AD & DSRM at the same
> time to the same value without fear of typo.
>
> Probably one of Pauls. I'll try and look in that other library of mine
> (scripts).
>
>> Thanks - as always!
>>
>> Cary
>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Oy$N3guVJHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Cary,
>>>
>>> Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it was
>>> dated. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>> KJ,
>>>>
>>>> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember
>>>> things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.
>>>>
>>>> Cary
>>>>
>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> From an old article;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application of
>>>>> SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the Administrator
>>>>> password will no longer sync automagically with the DSRM password
>>>>> and we are now like 'normal' Windows Server in this behavior. It
>>>>> can however, be manually adjusted following this KB:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672. We
>>>>> expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a later
>>>>> date. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>>> Cliff,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my head.
>>>>>> I know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very well be
>>>>>> that I am remember a little of this and a little of that and
>>>>>> somehow my old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>>>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not
>>>>>> that I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state
>>>>>> happens every night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's
>>>>>>> account is left active and the password is changed every 30-90
>>>>>>> days (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with
>>>>>>> anything, just make sure you have a good backup of your system
>>>>>>> state so you can restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the issue. I
>>>>>>>> know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil in
>>>>>>>> WIN2003...I have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that the
>>>>>>>> Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the same.
>>>>>>>> That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003 question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in my head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that it
>>>>>>>>>> no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you will get
>>>>>>>>>> a bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would say that I
>>>>>>>>>> would not want the Administrator
>>>>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard 2)
>>>>>>>>>> use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just in
>>>>>>>>>> case that there is any confusion anywhere - use the wizard!
>>>>>>>>>> ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments and changing the
>>>>>>>>>> Administrator password process seems to be one of the (maybe
>>>>>>>>>> not so) few things that seems to elude me (have not tried it
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere yet because I can not seem to get this 'synch' issue
>>>>>>>>>> with the DSRM password out of my head). Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> /kj
>>>
>>> --
>>> /kj
>
> --
> /kj
>

errr... Probably Bergson. Should have quit while I was ahead.


Cary Shultz wrote:
> Paul Williams? - I will check with him....er, his web site.
>
> Or, Paul Bergson? I will check on his web site as well....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cary
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Vu$%23MxVJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>> KJ,
>>>
>>> True - but the people with whom I work question everything and want
>>> documentation. Which is a really good thing. I just could not find
>>> anything...so, that link that you provided was the "smoking gun"
>>> that I needed.
>>
>> I hear you. I need a massive link library database some days.
>> Thankfully google already does that quite well.
>>
>>>
>>> BTW - did a patch every get released?
>>
>> TTBOMK, No. I think it was dropped for whatever reason.
>>
>>>
>>> I am going to be changing the Administrator password shortly for
>>> about 15 SBS2003 environments. Naturally, not all at once...one by
>>> one and then deal with the issues and then move on to the next one.
>>>
>>
>> Somewhere there was a cool script for changing both AD & DSRM at the
>> same time to the same value without fear of typo.
>>
>> Probably one of Pauls. I'll try and look in that other library of
>> mine (scripts).
>>
>>> Thanks - as always!
>>>
>>> Cary
>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Oy$N3guVJHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Cary,
>>>>
>>>> Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it was
>>>> dated. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>> KJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember
>>>>> things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary
>>>>>
>>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> From an old article;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application
>>>>>> of SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the
>>>>>> Administrator password will no longer sync automagically with
>>>>>> the DSRM password and we are now like 'normal' Windows Server in
>>>>>> this behavior. It can however, be manually adjusted following
>>>>>> this KB:
>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672.
>>>>>> We expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a
>>>>>> later date. :) Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>>>> Cliff,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my
>>>>>>> head. I know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very
>>>>>>> well be that I am remember a little of this and a little of
>>>>>>> that and somehow my old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>>>>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not
>>>>>>> that I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state
>>>>>>> happens every night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's
>>>>>>>> account is left active and the password is changed every 30-90
>>>>>>>> days (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with
>>>>>>>> anything, just make sure you have a good backup of your system
>>>>>>>> state so you can restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the
>>>>>>>>> issue. I know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil
>>>>>>>>> in WIN2003...I have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that
>>>>>>>>> the Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the
>>>>>>>>> same. That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003
>>>>>>>>> question. This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> head. Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that
>>>>>>>>>>> it no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you
>>>>>>>>>>> will get a bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would say
>>>>>>>>>>> that I would not want the Administrator
>>>>>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just
>>>>>>>>>>> in case that there is any confusion anywhere - use the
>>>>>>>>>>> wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments and
>>>>>>>>>>> changing the Administrator password process seems to be one
>>>>>>>>>>> of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me
>>>>>>>>>>> (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to
>>>>>>>>>>> get this 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out of my
>>>>>>>>>>> head). Thanks, Cary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> /kj
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> /kj
>>
>> --
>> /kj

--
/kj

KJ,

I ass/u/me that you know (or at least know of...) both as both are MVPs. I
know them both from my days in the AD news group. Paul Bergson has a couple
of nice little utilities out there that he so kindly makes available. Paul
Williams does a lot of scripting stuff....so, it could have been either!

I would bet on Paul Bergson, too!

Cary

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OZ%231mEzVJHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> errr... Probably Bergson. Should have quit while I was ahead.
>
>
> Cary Shultz wrote:
>> Paul Williams? - I will check with him....er, his web site.
>>
>> Or, Paul Bergson? I will check on his web site as well....
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cary
>>
>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23Vu$%23MxVJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>> KJ,
>>>>
>>>> True - but the people with whom I work question everything and want
>>>> documentation. Which is a really good thing. I just could not find
>>>> anything...so, that link that you provided was the "smoking gun"
>>>> that I needed.
>>>
>>> I hear you. I need a massive link library database some days.
>>> Thankfully google already does that quite well.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW - did a patch every get released?
>>>
>>> TTBOMK, No. I think it was dropped for whatever reason.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am going to be changing the Administrator password shortly for
>>>> about 15 SBS2003 environments. Naturally, not all at once...one by
>>>> one and then deal with the issues and then move on to the next one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Somewhere there was a cool script for changing both AD & DSRM at the
>>> same time to the same value without fear of typo.
>>>
>>> Probably one of Pauls. I'll try and look in that other library of
>>> mine (scripts).
>>>
>>>> Thanks - as always!
>>>>
>>>> Cary
>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Oy$N3guVJHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Cary,
>>>>>
>>>>> Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it was
>>>>> dated. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>>> KJ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can remember
>>>>>> things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> From an old article;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the application
>>>>>>> of SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1] the
>>>>>>> Administrator password will no longer sync automagically with
>>>>>>> the DSRM password and we are now like 'normal' Windows Server in
>>>>>>> this behavior. It can however, be manually adjusted following
>>>>>>> this KB:
>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672.
>>>>>>> We expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a
>>>>>>> later date. :) Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cliff,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my
>>>>>>>> head. I know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could very
>>>>>>>> well be that I am remember a little of this and a little of
>>>>>>>> that and somehow my old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>>>>>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs (not
>>>>>>>> that I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state
>>>>>>>> happens every night.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>>>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's
>>>>>>>>> account is left active and the password is changed every 30-90
>>>>>>>>> days (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with
>>>>>>>>> anything, just make sure you have a good backup of your system
>>>>>>>>> state so you can restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the
>>>>>>>>>> issue. I know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil
>>>>>>>>>> in WIN2003...I have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that
>>>>>>>>>> the Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>>>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the
>>>>>>>>>> same. That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003
>>>>>>>>>> question. This is my question. Not sure why I have this stuck in
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> head. Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will get a bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would say
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I would not want the Administrator
>>>>>>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And, just
>>>>>>>>>>>> in case that there is any confusion anywhere - use the
>>>>>>>>>>>> wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments and
>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the Administrator password process seems to be one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to elude me
>>>>>>>>>>>> (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can not seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get this 'synch' issue with the DSRM password out of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> head). Thanks, Cary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> /kj
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> /kj
>>>
>>> --
>>> /kj
>
> --
> /kj
>

Both are script wizards and PB helped me out with a couple of custom ones in
the past. Rich Mueller also made many user and group AD scripts public. btw,
I haven't found the one I was think of yet.

Cary Shultz wrote:
> KJ,
>
> I ass/u/me that you know (or at least know of...) both as both are
> MVPs. I know them both from my days in the AD news group. Paul
> Bergson has a couple of nice little utilities out there that he so
> kindly makes available. Paul Williams does a lot of scripting
> stuff....so, it could have been either!
> I would bet on Paul Bergson, too!
>
> Cary
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OZ%231mEzVJHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> errr... Probably Bergson. Should have quit while I was ahead.
>>
>>
>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>> Paul Williams? - I will check with him....er, his web site.
>>>
>>> Or, Paul Bergson? I will check on his web site as well....
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Cary
>>>
>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Vu$%23MxVJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>> KJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> True - but the people with whom I work question everything and
>>>>> want documentation. Which is a really good thing. I just could
>>>>> not find anything...so, that link that you provided was the
>>>>> "smoking gun" that I needed.
>>>>
>>>> I hear you. I need a massive link library database some days.
>>>> Thankfully google already does that quite well.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW - did a patch every get released?
>>>>
>>>> TTBOMK, No. I think it was dropped for whatever reason.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to be changing the Administrator password shortly for
>>>>> about 15 SBS2003 environments. Naturally, not all at once...one
>>>>> by one and then deal with the issues and then move on to the next
>>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere there was a cool script for changing both AD & DSRM at
>>>> the same time to the same value without fear of typo.
>>>>
>>>> Probably one of Pauls. I'll try and look in that other library of
>>>> mine (scripts).
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks - as always!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cary
>>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Oy$N3guVJHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Cary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow it's comforting to have remembered acurately even if it
>>>>>> was dated. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>>>> KJ,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That might just be it. I must be getting older....I can
>>>>>>> remember things but do not know why I am remembering them!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, KJ. I will not have to go to the old folks home just
>>>>>>> yet. Cary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eNbkxmnVJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> From an old article;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you change the Administrator password 'after' the
>>>>>>>> application of SBS 2003 SP1 [which includes Windows 2003 SP1]
>>>>>>>> the Administrator password will no longer sync automagically
>>>>>>>> with the DSRM password and we are now like 'normal' Windows
>>>>>>>> Server in this behavior. It can however, be manually adjusted
>>>>>>>> following this KB:
>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;322672.
>>>>>>>> We expect to have a windows update-able fix for this issue at a
>>>>>>>> later date. :) Cary Shultz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Cliff,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. I really do not know why I have that thought in my
>>>>>>>>> head. I know that it is there for a reason! Anyway, could
>>>>>>>>> very well be that I am remember a little of this and a little
>>>>>>>>> of that and somehow my old, tired brain came up with this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay. I will change the DSRM Password on one or two SBS2003
>>>>>>>>> environments and see if anything happens in the event logs
>>>>>>>>> (not that I do not trust what you are saying...I do!).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I will go wild!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NTBackup (usually not a SBS Backup....) of the system state
>>>>>>>>> happens every night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:3-mdnYRAY_73xKXUnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I have several smaller shops where the Administrator's
>>>>>>>>>> account is left active and the password is changed every
>>>>>>>>>> 30-90 days (depending on the shop) with no problems. As with
>>>>>>>>>> anything, just make sure you have a good backup of your
>>>>>>>>>> system state so you can restore AD if necessary. -Cliff
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:uJGsaIkVJHA.2928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> SBSGolfer,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link. How to change the DSRM is not the
>>>>>>>>>>> issue. I know how to do this (setpwd in WIN2000 and ntdsutil
>>>>>>>>>>> in WIN2003...I have done this literally hundreds of times).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess something in the back of my mind is telling me that
>>>>>>>>>>> the Administrator account's password in Windows and the DSRM
>>>>>>>>>>> Adminstrators account's password in SBS2003 need to be the
>>>>>>>>>>> same. That they synch up somehow. This is purely an SBS2003
>>>>>>>>>>> question. This is my question. Not sure why I have this
>>>>>>>>>>> stuck in my
>>>>>>>>>>> head. Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "SBS Golfer" <Mr.Bogus@bogusdomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uYqUc1iVJHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take a look at this link and see if it helps you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6071421.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@n0spam.outsourceitcorp.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:uoIQpJhVJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should be a simple question, but.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to say that I remember issues when you change the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> password to the Administrator account. That issue is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it no longer synchs with the DSRM password and that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will get a bunch of Event ID errors. Generally, I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that I would not want the Administrator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account password to be the same as the DSRM Administrator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> password (that is how I have things set up in "normal"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows.....). But, SBS is a different animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I missing something (would not be the first time!)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know the three rules to SBS2003: 1) use the wizard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) use the wizard and finally 3) use the wizard. And,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in case that there is any confusion anywhere - use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wizard! ;-) I deal with a lot of SBS2003 environments
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and changing the Administrator password process seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be one of the (maybe not so) few things that seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> elude me (have not tried it anywhere yet because I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seem to get this 'synch' issue with the DSRM password
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of my head). Thanks, Cary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> /kj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> /kj
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> /kj
>>
>> --
>> /kj

--
/kj