How to disable exchange

I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email. So
far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".

So 2 questions:

1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem to
recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay involved
using Exchanges POP3).

2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using POP3?

You should unsell them that bill of goods-are you their technology
consultant or is the bill of goods salesman? Having said that to answer your
questions.

1. Exchange is used for monitoring reports, public folders, etc. so I'd
never disable it. You can continue to use those Exchange goodies and point
the desktops to download mail from the host by POP3. If you use Outlook as
the client each desktop will store the mail in individual pst files (yuck).
Your firewall (s) will have to be setup to allow that.

2. POP3 on their handhelds is the worst possible configuration. Much better
to keep Exchange with full SMTP in and out. Handhelds running Windows Mobile
can then synch directly with Exchange.

"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
>I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> So
> far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
>
> So 2 questions:
>
> 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> to
> recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> involved
> using Exchanges POP3).
>
> 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> POP3?
>
>

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:36 -0800, SteveB wrote:

> You should unsell them that bill of goods-are you their technology
> consultant or is the bill of goods salesman?

There a quite a few companies out there that know how to sell. He has a
lose lose situation, until something goes wrong.



--
A. Feiner

POP3 on handholds?
That is the worst solution ever.

Unless they connect to that POP3 server with SSL
They are passing Passwords in plain text over the wan.

Plus they are not going to be synched with any Messages in the Outbox
so anything they send they will only find it in the device they are sending
it from

The Delay of POP3 access is also something to consider
ask if "TIME = Money" in most companies this is a case.

And why Disable Exchange? don't they like to know the status of the server?

Show them Shared calendar's, Folders, Email Accounts, RPC over HTTPS and
Full Sync between all EMAIL Devices
and they will not want POP3 EVER again!

Take out the Consulting hat and show them what they are Missing!
(Heck just set the boss up with Outlook 2003 and RPC over HTTPS on his home
PC and He will NEVER want POP3 at all)

Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS2003 Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
>I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> So
> far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
>
> So 2 questions:
>
> 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> to
> recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> involved
> using Exchanges POP3).
>
> 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> POP3?
>
>

I don't believe this.
If the Client has Any Common sense you can show people that POP3 SUCKS.
Unless of course they drink Kool-Aid for breakfast lunch and dinner.. :)

Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS2003 Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"A. Feiner" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:6nsgl1Flb27U1@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:36 -0800, SteveB wrote:
>
>> You should unsell them that bill of goods-are you their technology
>> consultant or is the bill of goods salesman?
>
> There a quite a few companies out there that know how to sell. He has a
> lose lose situation, until something goes wrong.
>
>
>
> --
> A. Feiner

Oh if backup mail is the Argument for Pop3
then tell them about MX Records

POP3 has NO advantage over Exchange in any way shape or form.
This should be a easy sell

Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS2003 Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
>I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> So
> far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
>
> So 2 questions:
>
> 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> to
> recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> involved
> using Exchanges POP3).
>
> 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> POP3?
>
>

'sold a bill of goods' is right.

You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested) but at
a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
_minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing the
user mailboxes from Exchange.

You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose Exchange
to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix' Sean
suggests in
http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's requirements
(should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in the
Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the benefits of
centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client before
being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one method
of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the email
provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.

If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is preferable over
POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.

"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
>I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> So
> far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
>
> So 2 questions:
>
> 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> to
> recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> involved
> using Exchanges POP3).
>
> 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> POP3?
>
>

Thanks for the input. I have asked to meet with the principal parties who
made the decision. so far no luck. I'll post back on the results

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:

> 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
>
> You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested) but at
> a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
> _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing the
> user mailboxes from Exchange.
>
> You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
> collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose Exchange
> to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix' Sean
> suggests in
> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
> to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's requirements
> (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
> Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in the
> Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
> accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the benefits of
> centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client before
> being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one method
> of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the email
> provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
>
> If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
> recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
> iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is preferable over
> POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
>
> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
> >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> > So
> > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
> >
> > So 2 questions:
> >
> > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> > to
> > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> > involved
> > using Exchanges POP3).
> >
> > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> > POP3?
> >
> >
>
>
>

SuperGumby,

I've never tried it, but you did indicate that POP3 is configurable in
exchange? IE an external devide can get mail from exchange using POP3?

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:

> 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
>
> You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested) but at
> a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
> _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing the
> user mailboxes from Exchange.
>
> You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
> collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose Exchange
> to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix' Sean
> suggests in
> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
> to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's requirements
> (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
> Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in the
> Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
> accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the benefits of
> centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client before
> being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one method
> of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the email
> provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
>
> If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
> recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
> iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is preferable over
> POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
>
> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
> >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> > So
> > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
> >
> > So 2 questions:
> >
> > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> > to
> > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> > involved
> > using Exchanges POP3).
> >
> > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> > POP3?
> >
> >
>
>
>

I am finding out more. Thay want to go to Google Business G-mail apps. They
want to have Google host our email domain and figure it can work in
conjunction with exchange.

"Joe#2" wrote:

> SuperGumby,
>
> I've never tried it, but you did indicate that POP3 is configurable in
> exchange? IE an external devide can get mail from exchange using POP3?
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
> > 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
> >
> > You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested) but at
> > a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
> > _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing the
> > user mailboxes from Exchange.
> >
> > You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
> > collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose Exchange
> > to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix' Sean
> > suggests in
> > http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
> > to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's requirements
> > (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
> > Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in the
> > Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
> > accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the benefits of
> > centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client before
> > being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one method
> > of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the email
> > provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
> >
> > If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
> > recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
> > iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is preferable over
> > POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
> >
> > "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
> > >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill of
> > > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server email.
> > > So
> > > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
> > >
> > > So 2 questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory? Also,
> > > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I seem
> > > to
> > > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> > > involved
> > > using Exchanges POP3).
> > >
> > > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email on
> > > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> > > POP3?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >

With incoming you can:
1) use the SBS POP Connector to pull email direct into Exchange, in which
case it bypasses SMTP so also Exchange based anitiSPAM, but Exchange gets to
scan it for viri before it gets to Outlook. Minimum retrieval interval 15
minutes (and should be longer).
2) purchase an alternate POP connector which feeds through SMTP to Exchange,
enabling at least some Exch AS, and of course AV still works. Most 3rd party
pop connectors can have shorter retrieval intervals, but shouldn't.
3) Configure Outlook to pull in via POP but set the primary storage location
to the Exchange mailbox, in which case AS/AV is delayed until Outlook passes
it to Exchange and the retrieval interval is controlled by Outlook/user.

To allow external devices (mobiles, home PCs, whatever) that may not be able
to use ActiveSync/RPC over HTTP/S to access email you simply enable either
the Exchange POP or IMAP service and allow the appropriate port through your
firewall. IMAP is better because it manipulates mail on the server, watch
out for external devices POPing mail, 'Leave a copy on the server' needs to
be turned on. Also, these 'external devices' should send via whatever SMTP
server is available through their connection, rather than you allowing relay
through SBS.

However, in all cases this allows the email to remain in Exchange and the
Exchange remains as primary delivery method for the LAN. You get central
backup, OWA is available and you don't need PST files. Note however that if
you choose Outlook on the worksation as collection mechanism into Exchange
new email will only come in if Outlook is running.

"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D4FE4D43-988C-465E-AF6B-C1C39D2D94C3@microsoft.com...
> SuperGumby,
>
> I've never tried it, but you did indicate that POP3 is configurable in
> exchange? IE an external devide can get mail from exchange using POP3?
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
>>
>> You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested) but
>> at
>> a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
>> _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing
>> the
>> user mailboxes from Exchange.
>>
>> You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
>> collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose
>> Exchange
>> to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix'
>> Sean
>> suggests in
>> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
>> to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's
>> requirements
>> (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
>> Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in the
>> Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
>> accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the benefits
>> of
>> centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client
>> before
>> being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one
>> method
>> of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the
>> email
>> provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
>>
>> If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
>> recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
>> iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is preferable
>> over
>> POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
>>
>> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
>> >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill
>> >of
>> > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server
>> > email.
>> > So
>> > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
>> >
>> > So 2 questions:
>> >
>> > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory?
>> > Also,
>> > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I
>> > seem
>> > to
>> > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
>> > involved
>> > using Exchanges POP3).
>> >
>> > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email
>> > on
>> > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
>> > POP3?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Thanks for all of that info. I am told that I must change the MX records to
point to the new web/email provider, and that each person will have to
configure their desktop Outlook to use POP3 to the new provider.

It should work I guess. I think they will loose a lot of features.

I don't have ISA so I guess I only have to be sure port 110 is open on the
firewall.

By the way, I found out what started all of this. One of the senior staff
member has an Ipod and he wants to use POP3 and Gmail. He also likes Gmail
better than outlook.

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:

> With incoming you can:
> 1) use the SBS POP Connector to pull email direct into Exchange, in which
> case it bypasses SMTP so also Exchange based anitiSPAM, but Exchange gets to
> scan it for viri before it gets to Outlook. Minimum retrieval interval 15
> minutes (and should be longer).
> 2) purchase an alternate POP connector which feeds through SMTP to Exchange,
> enabling at least some Exch AS, and of course AV still works. Most 3rd party
> pop connectors can have shorter retrieval intervals, but shouldn't.
> 3) Configure Outlook to pull in via POP but set the primary storage location
> to the Exchange mailbox, in which case AS/AV is delayed until Outlook passes
> it to Exchange and the retrieval interval is controlled by Outlook/user.
>
> To allow external devices (mobiles, home PCs, whatever) that may not be able
> to use ActiveSync/RPC over HTTP/S to access email you simply enable either
> the Exchange POP or IMAP service and allow the appropriate port through your
> firewall. IMAP is better because it manipulates mail on the server, watch
> out for external devices POPing mail, 'Leave a copy on the server' needs to
> be turned on. Also, these 'external devices' should send via whatever SMTP
> server is available through their connection, rather than you allowing relay
> through SBS.
>
> However, in all cases this allows the email to remain in Exchange and the
> Exchange remains as primary delivery method for the LAN. You get central
> backup, OWA is available and you don't need PST files. Note however that if
> you choose Outlook on the worksation as collection mechanism into Exchange
> new email will only come in if Outlook is running.
>
> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D4FE4D43-988C-465E-AF6B-C1C39D2D94C3@microsoft.com...
> > SuperGumby,
> >
> > I've never tried it, but you did indicate that POP3 is configurable in
> > exchange? IE an external devide can get mail from exchange using POP3?
> >
> > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
> >>
> >> You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested) but
> >> at
> >> a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
> >> _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing
> >> the
> >> user mailboxes from Exchange.
> >>
> >> You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
> >> collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose
> >> Exchange
> >> to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix'
> >> Sean
> >> suggests in
> >> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
> >> to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's
> >> requirements
> >> (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
> >> Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in the
> >> Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
> >> accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the benefits
> >> of
> >> centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client
> >> before
> >> being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one
> >> method
> >> of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the
> >> email
> >> provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
> >>
> >> If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
> >> recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
> >> iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is preferable
> >> over
> >> POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
> >>
> >> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
> >> >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a bill
> >> >of
> >> > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server
> >> > email.
> >> > So
> >> > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
> >> >
> >> > So 2 questions:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory?
> >> > Also,
> >> > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I
> >> > seem
> >> > to
> >> > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> >> > involved
> >> > using Exchanges POP3).
> >> >
> >> > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3 email
> >> > on
> >> > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email using
> >> > POP3?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BF2EB045-FD4D-46BD-815B-C74A02C95918@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for all of that info. I am told that I must change the MX records
> to
> point to the new web/email provider, and that each person will have to
> configure their desktop Outlook to use POP3 to the new provider.

this part is a choice as per below

>> With incoming you can:
>> 1) use the SBS POP Connector to pull email direct into Exchange, in which
>> case it bypasses SMTP so also Exchange based anitiSPAM, but Exchange gets
>> to
>> scan it for viri before it gets to Outlook. Minimum retrieval interval 15
>> minutes (and should be longer).
>> 2) purchase an alternate POP connector which feeds through SMTP to
>> Exchange,
>> enabling at least some Exch AS, and of course AV still works. Most 3rd
>> party
>> pop connectors can have shorter retrieval intervals, but shouldn't.
>> 3) Configure Outlook to pull in via POP but set the primary storage
>> location
>> to the Exchange mailbox, in which case AS/AV is delayed until Outlook
>> passes
>> it to Exchange and the retrieval interval is controlled by Outlook/user.

I would not allow some musical toy to control a whole company's email
system.

Joe
Your boss should have mentioned this, so I hope I'm just repeating what he
says.

Anytime you talk to someone about Cloud Services they need to be aware of
the SLA
Not just your SLA but the Company that hosts the services SLA

Even though Google SLA covers UPTIME with Credit for downtime if below 99.9%
Downtime
I see NOTHING mentioning Data Retention or Recovery.
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/terms/sla.html

I would ask what the SLA is on Data Retention and What the Recovery SLA is.
Example Some CLOUD SharePoint hosting SLA is 7-14 Days for data to get
backup.

Yes you get a refund, BIG DEAL
but how much does 14 days of downtime when you can't do anything about it.
Cost the Company...

Find out First before you use any CLOUD services.
This is why most companies prefer to stay away from Cloud Services is
because they lose control.

Russ

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Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
World Wide 24hr SBS2003 Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz


"Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BF2EB045-FD4D-46BD-815B-C74A02C95918@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for all of that info. I am told that I must change the MX records
> to
> point to the new web/email provider, and that each person will have to
> configure their desktop Outlook to use POP3 to the new provider.
>
> It should work I guess. I think they will loose a lot of features.
>
> I don't have ISA so I guess I only have to be sure port 110 is open on the
> firewall.
>
> By the way, I found out what started all of this. One of the senior staff
> member has an Ipod and he wants to use POP3 and Gmail. He also likes Gmail
> better than outlook.
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> With incoming you can:
>> 1) use the SBS POP Connector to pull email direct into Exchange, in which
>> case it bypasses SMTP so also Exchange based anitiSPAM, but Exchange gets
>> to
>> scan it for viri before it gets to Outlook. Minimum retrieval interval 15
>> minutes (and should be longer).
>> 2) purchase an alternate POP connector which feeds through SMTP to
>> Exchange,
>> enabling at least some Exch AS, and of course AV still works. Most 3rd
>> party
>> pop connectors can have shorter retrieval intervals, but shouldn't.
>> 3) Configure Outlook to pull in via POP but set the primary storage
>> location
>> to the Exchange mailbox, in which case AS/AV is delayed until Outlook
>> passes
>> it to Exchange and the retrieval interval is controlled by Outlook/user.
>>
>> To allow external devices (mobiles, home PCs, whatever) that may not be
>> able
>> to use ActiveSync/RPC over HTTP/S to access email you simply enable
>> either
>> the Exchange POP or IMAP service and allow the appropriate port through
>> your
>> firewall. IMAP is better because it manipulates mail on the server, watch
>> out for external devices POPing mail, 'Leave a copy on the server' needs
>> to
>> be turned on. Also, these 'external devices' should send via whatever
>> SMTP
>> server is available through their connection, rather than you allowing
>> relay
>> through SBS.
>>
>> However, in all cases this allows the email to remain in Exchange and the
>> Exchange remains as primary delivery method for the LAN. You get central
>> backup, OWA is available and you don't need PST files. Note however that
>> if
>> you choose Outlook on the worksation as collection mechanism into
>> Exchange
>> new email will only come in if Outlook is running.
>>
>> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D4FE4D43-988C-465E-AF6B-C1C39D2D94C3@microsoft.com...
>> > SuperGumby,
>> >
>> > I've never tried it, but you did indicate that POP3 is configurable in
>> > exchange? IE an external devide can get mail from exchange using POP3?
>> >
>> > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
>> >>
>> >> You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested)
>> >> but
>> >> at
>> >> a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
>> >> _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing
>> >> the
>> >> user mailboxes from Exchange.
>> >>
>> >> You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
>> >> collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose
>> >> Exchange
>> >> to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix'
>> >> Sean
>> >> suggests in
>> >> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
>> >> to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's
>> >> requirements
>> >> (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
>> >> Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in
>> >> the
>> >> Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
>> >> accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the
>> >> benefits
>> >> of
>> >> centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client
>> >> before
>> >> being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one
>> >> method
>> >> of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the
>> >> email
>> >> provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
>> >>
>> >> If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
>> >> recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
>> >> iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is
>> >> preferable
>> >> over
>> >> POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
>> >>
>> >> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a
>> >> >bill
>> >> >of
>> >> > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server
>> >> > email.
>> >> > So
>> >> > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
>> >> >
>> >> > So 2 questions:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory?
>> >> > Also,
>> >> > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I
>> >> > seem
>> >> > to
>> >> > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
>> >> > involved
>> >> > using Exchanges POP3).
>> >> >
>> >> > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3
>> >> > email
>> >> > on
>> >> > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email
>> >> > using
>> >> > POP3?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

I basically being told, just Do it. Your opinion was not asked for.
Besides, This is what all "the big companys are going to". Then I was handed
a bargraph (from Google of course) showing theit performinse compaired to
GroupWise and exchange which showed exchange as being the worst. Ps I am a
SBS contracted consultant, not an employee.

"Russ (www.SBITS.Biz)" wrote:

> Joe
> Your boss should have mentioned this, so I hope I'm just repeating what he
> says.
>
> Anytime you talk to someone about Cloud Services they need to be aware of
> the SLA
> Not just your SLA but the Company that hosts the services SLA
>
> Even though Google SLA covers UPTIME with Credit for downtime if below 99.9%
> Downtime
> I see NOTHING mentioning Data Retention or Recovery.
> http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/terms/sla.html
>
> I would ask what the SLA is on Data Retention and What the Recovery SLA is.
> Example Some CLOUD SharePoint hosting SLA is 7-14 Days for data to get
> backup.
>
> Yes you get a refund, BIG DEAL
> but how much does 14 days of downtime when you can't do anything about it.
> Cost the Company...
>
> Find out First before you use any CLOUD services.
> This is why most companies prefer to stay away from Cloud Services is
> because they lose control.
>
> Russ
>
> --
> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz
> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
> World Wide 24hr SBS2003 Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>
>
> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BF2EB045-FD4D-46BD-815B-C74A02C95918@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for all of that info. I am told that I must change the MX records
> > to
> > point to the new web/email provider, and that each person will have to
> > configure their desktop Outlook to use POP3 to the new provider.
> >
> > It should work I guess. I think they will loose a lot of features.
> >
> > I don't have ISA so I guess I only have to be sure port 110 is open on the
> > firewall.
> >
> > By the way, I found out what started all of this. One of the senior staff
> > member has an Ipod and he wants to use POP3 and Gmail. He also likes Gmail
> > better than outlook.
> >
> > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> With incoming you can:
> >> 1) use the SBS POP Connector to pull email direct into Exchange, in which
> >> case it bypasses SMTP so also Exchange based anitiSPAM, but Exchange gets
> >> to
> >> scan it for viri before it gets to Outlook. Minimum retrieval interval 15
> >> minutes (and should be longer).
> >> 2) purchase an alternate POP connector which feeds through SMTP to
> >> Exchange,
> >> enabling at least some Exch AS, and of course AV still works. Most 3rd
> >> party
> >> pop connectors can have shorter retrieval intervals, but shouldn't.
> >> 3) Configure Outlook to pull in via POP but set the primary storage
> >> location
> >> to the Exchange mailbox, in which case AS/AV is delayed until Outlook
> >> passes
> >> it to Exchange and the retrieval interval is controlled by Outlook/user.
> >>
> >> To allow external devices (mobiles, home PCs, whatever) that may not be
> >> able
> >> to use ActiveSync/RPC over HTTP/S to access email you simply enable
> >> either
> >> the Exchange POP or IMAP service and allow the appropriate port through
> >> your
> >> firewall. IMAP is better because it manipulates mail on the server, watch
> >> out for external devices POPing mail, 'Leave a copy on the server' needs
> >> to
> >> be turned on. Also, these 'external devices' should send via whatever
> >> SMTP
> >> server is available through their connection, rather than you allowing
> >> relay
> >> through SBS.
> >>
> >> However, in all cases this allows the email to remain in Exchange and the
> >> Exchange remains as primary delivery method for the LAN. You get central
> >> backup, OWA is available and you don't need PST files. Note however that
> >> if
> >> you choose Outlook on the worksation as collection mechanism into
> >> Exchange
> >> new email will only come in if Outlook is running.
> >>
> >> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:D4FE4D43-988C-465E-AF6B-C1C39D2D94C3@microsoft.com...
> >> > SuperGumby,
> >> >
> >> > I've never tried it, but you did indicate that POP3 is configurable in
> >> > exchange? IE an external devide can get mail from exchange using POP3?
> >> >
> >> > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 'sold a bill of goods' is right.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can _minimise_ the use of Exchange (as has been sortta suggested)
> >> >> but
> >> >> at
> >> >> a minimum retain Exchange for use by the administrator account.
> >> >> _minimisation_ of Exchange use would require little more than removing
> >> >> the
> >> >> user mailboxes from Exchange.
> >> >>
> >> >> You _do not_ need to lose Exchange in order to allow the client PCs to
> >> >> collect via POP from an external service. Nor do you need to lose
> >> >> Exchange
> >> >> to send via such service. You also DO NOT need to implement the 'fix'
> >> >> Sean
> >> >> suggests in
> >> >> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2004/10/ha...ange-from.html
> >> >> to both keep Exchange and satisfy your (ill advised) client's
> >> >> requirements
> >> >> (should you not be able to dissuade them from this crazy idea). Keep
> >> >> Exchange as the primary account for all users, store their email in
> >> >> the
> >> >> Exchange mailbox, configure Outlook to _additionally_ collect the POP
> >> >> accounts (IF YOU MUST). Doing so negates, or delays, many of the
> >> >> benefits
> >> >> of
> >> >> centralised AnitVirus/AntiSPAM, because the email comes to the client
> >> >> before
> >> >> being processed by the server, but if they insist on it this is one
> >> >> method
> >> >> of handling things. In regard to outgoing mail, Exchange can use the
> >> >> email
> >> >> provider as a 'smart host' if necessary.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the handhelds/phones can do ActiveSync (and note that Apple have
> >> >> recognised the benefits of MS ActiveSync to the point where the latest
> >> >> iPhones include this ability) then use it, otherwise IMAP is
> >> >> preferable
> >> >> over
> >> >> POP. Exchange can be configured to offer both POP and IMAP services.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Joe#2" <Joe2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:BA2C34BA-0E10-4099-804A-1FD4211D40C5@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I know this sounds wierd, but one of my customers has been sold a
> >> >> >bill
> >> >> >of
> >> >> > goods about going to a new web provider and using their POP3 server
> >> >> > email.
> >> >> > So
> >> >> > far no discussion is allowed, "the decision has been made".
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So 2 questions:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. Can exchange be turned off without balling up active directory?
> >> >> > Also,
> >> >> > what will I have to do to allow the desktops to start using POP3? I
> >> >> > seem
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > recall it is disallowed by default. (why, They don't want the delay
> >> >> > involved
> >> >> > using Exchanges POP3).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2.One reason they want to shift over is so that they can use POP3
> >> >> > email
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > their handhelds. Can exchange support external retrieval of email
> >> >> > using
> >> >> > POP3?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>