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| WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in multiple workgroups. No AD domain. I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect to the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine this is by design. Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for credentials? I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS server that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. -- Fei Cao Microsoft, WSUS This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. > > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect to > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine this > is > by design. > > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for > credentials? > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS server > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > > |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Ok, can someone help me with this question: Why am I not being prompted for credentials or getting access denied when connecting to my standalone WSUS server (not a domain member) from a remote workstation (member of a domain)? The Update Services MMC allows me to manage the WSUS 3.0 server remotely without using any credentials, thus using an account that is NOT a member of the 'WSUS Administrators' group. "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: > You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. > > > > -- > Fei Cao > Microsoft, WSUS > > This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at > http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm > > "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... > > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in > > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. > > > > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect to > > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine this > > is > > by design. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for > > credentials? > > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS server > > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > > > > > > > |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Well do you have a local account on the WSUS server. I created an account for myslef on the server with the same username and password as on my local workstation then I don't need to authenticate. That is what I guess you do. "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:094877AC-EEA7-4807-9209-20F90282BF73@microsoft.com... > Ok, can someone help me with this question: > > Why am I not being prompted for credentials or getting access denied when > connecting to my standalone WSUS server (not a domain member) from a > remote > workstation (member of a domain)? > > The Update Services MMC allows me to manage the WSUS 3.0 server remotely > without using any credentials, thus using an account that is NOT a member > of > the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > > > > "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: > >> You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. >> >> >> >> -- >> Fei Cao >> Microsoft, WSUS >> >> This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at >> http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... >> > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in >> > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. >> > >> > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect >> > to >> > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine >> > this >> > is >> > by design. >> > >> > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for >> > credentials? >> > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS >> > server >> > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. >> > >> > >> >> >> |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Sorry if this is a duplicate post. Yes I have a local account on the WSUS server. It is completely different from the domain account with which I'm logged into my workstation - the workstation where I'm running the Update Services MMC. I'm not prompted for any credentials when adding the WSUS server to the console, or dismissed with 'access denied'. Also, I'm connecting on port 8530 without SSL. This was an upgrade from WSUS 2.0 - I can't connect using port 80. "matt" wrote: > Well do you have a local account on the WSUS server. I created an account > for myslef on the server with the same username and password as on my local > workstation then I don't need to authenticate. That is what I guess you do. > > > > "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:094877AC-EEA7-4807-9209-20F90282BF73@microsoft.com... > > Ok, can someone help me with this question: > > > > Why am I not being prompted for credentials or getting access denied when > > connecting to my standalone WSUS server (not a domain member) from a > > remote > > workstation (member of a domain)? > > > > The Update Services MMC allows me to manage the WSUS 3.0 server remotely > > without using any credentials, thus using an account that is NOT a member > > of > > the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > > > > > > > > "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: > > > >> You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fei Cao > >> Microsoft, WSUS > >> > >> This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no > >> rights. > >> Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at > >> http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm > >> > >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... > >> > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in > >> > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. > >> > > >> > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect > >> > to > >> > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine > >> > this > >> > is > >> > by design. > >> > > >> > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for > >> > credentials? > >> > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS > >> > server > >> > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Does your domain account have admin priviledge on the WSUS server too? -- Fei Cao Microsoft, WSUS This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6D3730AF-4CAB-497E-9820-46135EFE28E0@microsoft.com... > Sorry if this is a duplicate post. > > Yes I have a local account on the WSUS server. It is completely different > from the domain account with which I'm logged into my workstation - the > workstation where I'm running the Update Services MMC. > > I'm not prompted for any credentials when adding the WSUS server to the > console, or dismissed with 'access denied'. > > Also, I'm connecting on port 8530 without SSL. This was an upgrade from > WSUS > 2.0 - I can't connect using port 80. > > > > "matt" wrote: > >> Well do you have a local account on the WSUS server. I created an >> account >> for myslef on the server with the same username and password as on my >> local >> workstation then I don't need to authenticate. That is what I guess you >> do. >> >> >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:094877AC-EEA7-4807-9209-20F90282BF73@microsoft.com... >> > Ok, can someone help me with this question: >> > >> > Why am I not being prompted for credentials or getting access denied >> > when >> > connecting to my standalone WSUS server (not a domain member) from a >> > remote >> > workstation (member of a domain)? >> > >> > The Update Services MMC allows me to manage the WSUS 3.0 server >> > remotely >> > without using any credentials, thus using an account that is NOT a >> > member >> > of >> > the 'WSUS Administrators' group. >> > >> > >> > >> > "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: >> > >> >> You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Fei Cao >> >> Microsoft, WSUS >> >> >> >> This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no >> >> rights. >> >> Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm >> >> >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... >> >> > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines >> >> > in >> >> > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. >> >> > >> >> > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, >> >> > connect >> >> > to >> >> > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine >> >> > this >> >> > is >> >> > by design. >> >> > >> >> > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for >> >> > credentials? >> >> > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS >> >> > server >> >> > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
No. The WSUS server is a standalone server - it's not a member of a domain. "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: > Does your domain account have admin priviledge on the WSUS server too? > > -- > Fei Cao > Microsoft, WSUS > > This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at > http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm > > "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:6D3730AF-4CAB-497E-9820-46135EFE28E0@microsoft.com... > > Sorry if this is a duplicate post. > > > > Yes I have a local account on the WSUS server. It is completely different > > from the domain account with which I'm logged into my workstation - the > > workstation where I'm running the Update Services MMC. > > > > I'm not prompted for any credentials when adding the WSUS server to the > > console, or dismissed with 'access denied'. > > > > Also, I'm connecting on port 8530 without SSL. This was an upgrade from > > WSUS > > 2.0 - I can't connect using port 80. > > > > > > > > "matt" wrote: > > > >> Well do you have a local account on the WSUS server. I created an > >> account > >> for myslef on the server with the same username and password as on my > >> local > >> workstation then I don't need to authenticate. That is what I guess you > >> do. > >> > >> > >> > >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:094877AC-EEA7-4807-9209-20F90282BF73@microsoft.com... > >> > Ok, can someone help me with this question: > >> > > >> > Why am I not being prompted for credentials or getting access denied > >> > when > >> > connecting to my standalone WSUS server (not a domain member) from a > >> > remote > >> > workstation (member of a domain)? > >> > > >> > The Update Services MMC allows me to manage the WSUS 3.0 server > >> > remotely > >> > without using any credentials, thus using an account that is NOT a > >> > member > >> > of > >> > the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: > >> > > >> >> You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Fei Cao > >> >> Microsoft, WSUS > >> >> > >> >> This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no > >> >> rights. > >> >> Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at > >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm > >> >> > >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... > >> >> > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines > >> >> > in > >> >> > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. > >> >> > > >> >> > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, > >> >> > connect > >> >> > to > >> >> > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine > >> >> > this > >> >> > is > >> >> > by design. > >> >> > > >> >> > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for > >> >> > credentials? > >> >> > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS > >> >> > server > >> >> > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Can you use your domain account to login to the machine where WSUS server is installed? Is it possible your current domain account at the work station has been added as an admin to the machine where WSUS server is installed? -- Fei Cao Microsoft, WSUS This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:13CFDA78-74A3-4EF9-B703-0B2EF154EF3D@microsoft.com... > No. > > The WSUS server is a standalone server - it's not a member of a domain. > > > > "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: > >> Does your domain account have admin priviledge on the WSUS server too? >> >> -- >> Fei Cao >> Microsoft, WSUS >> >> This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified at >> http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:6D3730AF-4CAB-497E-9820-46135EFE28E0@microsoft.com... >> > Sorry if this is a duplicate post. >> > >> > Yes I have a local account on the WSUS server. It is completely >> > different >> > from the domain account with which I'm logged into my workstation - the >> > workstation where I'm running the Update Services MMC. >> > >> > I'm not prompted for any credentials when adding the WSUS server to the >> > console, or dismissed with 'access denied'. >> > >> > Also, I'm connecting on port 8530 without SSL. This was an upgrade from >> > WSUS >> > 2.0 - I can't connect using port 80. >> > >> > >> > >> > "matt" wrote: >> > >> >> Well do you have a local account on the WSUS server. I created an >> >> account >> >> for myslef on the server with the same username and password as on my >> >> local >> >> workstation then I don't need to authenticate. That is what I guess >> >> you >> >> do. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:094877AC-EEA7-4807-9209-20F90282BF73@microsoft.com... >> >> > Ok, can someone help me with this question: >> >> > >> >> > Why am I not being prompted for credentials or getting access >> >> > denied >> >> > when >> >> > connecting to my standalone WSUS server (not a domain member) from a >> >> > remote >> >> > workstation (member of a domain)? >> >> > >> >> > The Update Services MMC allows me to manage the WSUS 3.0 server >> >> > remotely >> >> > without using any credentials, thus using an account that is NOT a >> >> > member >> >> > of >> >> > the 'WSUS Administrators' group. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Fei Cao (MSFT)" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> You are right, you have to be member of WSUS admin group to do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Fei Cao >> >> >> Microsoft, WSUS >> >> >> >> >> >> This posting is provided "As Is" with no warranties, and confers no >> >> >> rights. >> >> >> Use of included script samples are subject to the terms specified >> >> >> at >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> "CEG_WINTEL" <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:E80CF5DF-2D16-415B-A70D-5DA05E87F864@microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple >> >> >> > machines >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, >> >> >> > connect >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't >> >> >> > imagine >> >> >> > this >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > by design. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for >> >> >> > credentials? >> >> >> > I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the >> >> >> > WSUS >> >> >> > server >> >> >> > that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup > Can you use your domain account to login to the machine where WSUS server is > installed? Answer: NO - Obviously, only local server accounts can log in to a standalone server. A standalone server is not a member of a domain. For grins, I tried and the answer is still NO. > Is it possible your current domain account at the work station has been > added as an admin to the machine where WSUS server is installed? Answer: NO. You can't add a domain account to a standalone server. The server was never a member of a domain - there are no SIDs or non local accounts showing up in any of the local groups on the WSUS server. |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
CEG_WINTEL wrote: > Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in > multiple workgroups. No AD domain. > > I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect to > the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine this is > by design. Do you have an existing network connection to the standalone server? As a troubleshooting step, try logging in with a different account (with a different, unique password) and see if the same thing happens. That'll determine whether it's a generic issue or something to do with your account. Then try again with your own account having just logged in. Harry. |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
On Tue, 1 May 2007 11:32:02 -0700, CEG_WINTEL <CEGWINTEL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in >multiple workgroups. No AD domain. > >I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect to >the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine this is >by design. > >Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for credentials? >I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS server >that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. > Clearly you are logged in to this server with an account that has the rights to manage WSUS. There are 3 possibilities I can think of. 1) You account name and password match one on the server. 2) You have a cached username/password - Ctrl Panel/Users/Advanced/Manager Passwords 3) You have a connection such as a mapped drive that is connecting as an admin on the server. -- Dave Mills There are 10 type of people, those that understand binary and those that don't. |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
"DaveMills" <DaveMills@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message news:deft33pesi4i45k8r99tkdvgb560mj7nck@4ax.com... >>Running WSUS 3.0 on a standalone server to patch multiple machines in >>multiple workgroups. No AD domain. >> >>I am able to run the WSUS Admin MMC from my remote workstation, connect to >>the WSUS 3.0 server and completely administrate it. I can't imagine this >>is >>by design. >> >>Does anyone have any ideas as to why I'm not being prompted for >>credentials? >>I would think it should only allow local user accounts on the WSUS server >>that belong to the 'WSUS Administrators' group. >> > Clearly you are logged in to this server with an account that has the > rights to > manage WSUS. There are 3 possibilities I can think of. > 1) You account name and password match one on the server. The most likely reason. It's 'by design' when executing Windows Peer-to-Peer Networking. If the account name and password on machine 'a' match any account name/password on machine 'b', the user on machine 'a' will have access to machine 'b' according to the permissions assigned to the account name/password on machine 'b'. In this case, if both account names are "Administrator" (Imagine that!), and the passwords are identical (not so far fetched in a non-domain environment), then pretty much any administrator on any machine has administrative access to any other machine, simply by virtue of being logged onto any one machine in the network. -- Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP Independent WSUS Evangelist MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007) https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...2-D095EB07B36E Everything you need for WSUS is at http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...s/default.mspx And, almost everything else is at http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com ..... |
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My problem is similar but with 1 small diference. I have 1 main WSUS server on a 2003 Server belonging to my domain (but not a dc). Then on every branch ( we have like 30) i have a DC on each and i installed an Autonomous WSUS server. i have a technitian (that doesn't have Domain Admin access) that does it's maintenance. how do i give him permitions to administer these servers? I know that if i put his account on local WSUS Administrators group i can access the main server, but as the others are DC ther ain't no local groups. Any ideias? Thx, Miguel Silva |
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| Re: WSUS 3.0 Admin Console Authentication in Workgroup
Goolie wrote: > Then on every branch ( we have like 30) i have a DC on each and i > installed an Autonomous WSUS server. > i have a technitian (that doesn't have Domain Admin access) that does > it's maintenance. > how do i give him permitions to administer these servers? I know that > if i put his account on local WSUS Administrators group i can access > the main server, but as the others are DC ther ain't no local groups. For many purposes domain groups function like local groups on DCs, so it might turn out that a WSUS Administrators group has been added to your domain and can be used to give your technician access to all of the WSUS servers. Or you could try creating the group and see if that works. (Remember you might need to restart WSUS for this to take effect.) Perhaps you could consider moving the WSUS service into a virtual machine on each domain controller? There would be a licensing cost and a performance hit, of course, so not an ideal solution. On the other hand, I'd be pretty nervous about running IIS on a DC myself. Harry. |
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"Harry Johnston" <harry@scms.waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message news:%23NUMnQ%23mHHA.2596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Goolie wrote: > >> Then on every branch ( we have like 30) i have a DC on each and i >> installed an Autonomous WSUS server. >> i have a technitian (that doesn't have Domain Admin access) that does >> it's maintenance. >> how do i give him permitions to administer these servers? I know that >> if i put his account on local WSUS Administrators group i can access >> the main server, but as the others are DC ther ain't no local groups. > > For many purposes domain groups function like local groups on DCs, so it > might turn out that a WSUS Administrators group has been added to your > domain and can be used to give your technician access to all of the WSUS > servers. I can confirm that if WSUS has been installed on a Domain Controller anywhere in the domain, a DOMAIN\WSUS Administrators group was created, and adding a user to that group will grant them access to all WSUS servers. On the non-domain controller DCs, you'll want to make sure the DOMAIN\WSUS Administrators group is made a member of the local "WSUS Administrators" group to extend those permissions to non-DC WSUS servers. > Perhaps you could consider moving the WSUS service into a virtual machine > on each domain controller? There would be a licensing cost and a > performance hit, of course, so not an ideal solution. On the other hand, > I'd be pretty nervous about running IIS on a DC myself. And, of course, there's always the basic architectural question of whether or not the environment even requires the remote WSUS servers. -- Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCTS, MCP Independent WSUS Evangelist MVP-Software Distribution (2005-2007) https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...2-D095EB07B36E Everything you need for WSUS is at http://technet2.microsoft.com/window...s/default.mspx And, almost everything else is at http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com ..... |
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