Well it is tranquil intermittent for me. And that's without Telus Navigator. Fortunately, I am one of those people that have comprise and talked to Telus and managed to get Telus Navigator free for 3 months, by means of the alternative to renovate that complimentary subscription if neither Telus nor RIM release a patch or OS improvement. And judging by how quiet this tribulation has become. I am absolutely not expecting a patch anytime soon. I am hoping the release of 4.5 for CDMA phones determine to be almost immediately and the telus version or description determine to have a fix.