WPM11 Final - can't share files off network folders anymore? (workedin B2)

Hi.

in the previous WMP11 beta (Beta 2?) and in WMC2, i had no problems
sharing media files located on my Windows 2003 Server based network
share - all i had to do was change the NSS service to run under my local
account, and it could access the network just fine (without that change,
it could not access the network share, and NSS would regularly kill the
library even for WMP itself).

Since upgrading to the final of WMP last night, this no longer works -
all my devices (two Roku Soundsbridges and one Vista WMP11) connect to
the library but show "0 files".

If i copy a few files from my library to my local machine, and add them
to the library, those show up fine on all devices, and play - so this
does indeed seem to be a network issue :(

Is anyone seeing the same and/or has found a workaround? Has anything
been changed in NSS between beta 2 and RTM that would prevent if from
accessing my network - even though it's running as the same user as i'm
logged in as?

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated...

--
marc

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 13:33:47 +0100, marc hoffman <mh@spamobjects.com>
wrote:

>Hi.
>
>in the previous WMP11 beta (Beta 2?) and in WMC2, i had no problems
>sharing media files located on my Windows 2003 Server based network
>share - all i had to do was change the NSS service to run under my local
>account, and it could access the network just fine (without that change,
>it could not access the network share, and NSS would regularly kill the
>library even for WMP itself).
>
>Since upgrading to the final of WMP last night, this no longer works -
>all my devices (two Roku Soundsbridges and one Vista WMP11) connect to
>the library but show "0 files".


Does the firmware update to the Rokus help at all ?
http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9710


Also have a look at the firewall requirements, and ensure the new WMP
executable has been added to WS2003 firewall exceptions :
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_7


>If i copy a few files from my library to my local machine, and add them
>to the library, those show up fine on all devices, and play - so this
>does indeed seem to be a network issue :(
>
>Is anyone seeing the same and/or has found a workaround? Has anything
>been changed in NSS between beta 2 and RTM that would prevent if from
>accessing my network - even though it's running as the same user as i'm
>logged in as?
>
>Any pointers would be greatly appreciated...


As it's a server, it's quite possible several of the essential
services needed for WMP to operate the old WMC service have been
disabled by policy. I think the default services needed are as follows

Windows media player network sharing services
SSDP Discovery Service
Universal Plug & Play device host
HTTP SSL service

HTH
Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

Neil,

thanx for the fast reply.

> Does the firmware update to the Rokus help at all ?
> http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9710

No, it didn't. I actually had been running this version until today (and
am running the new 2.7 beta now) - no cigar. Fwiw, this affects both my
two Soundbridges and the WMP11 on my laptop (which i just use to test).
None of em see any network files - so it can;t really be a client-side
problem.

> Also have a look at the firewall requirements, and ensure the new WMP
> executable has been added to WS2003 firewall exceptions :
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_7

That's all fine. In fact, i can connect ok, and everything - the library
is just empty. The same happened in Beta 2 if the NSS service could not
access my network files; setting it to run as my local user fixed that -
now i confirmed its still running as the right suer, but it doesn't see
those files.

(fwiw, i had to do one manual tweak back for Beta 2, the basic library
browsing worked, but the actual steaming always failed. turned outthere
was one port (10243) that had not been opened automatically - i fixed
that, and all worked fine)


Note that when i copy some files onto my *local* system, they are
detected right away, and my devices can play them. so firewall settings
for the basic sharing are all ok.

Everything points to this being a problem with the source files on a
network share. My guess/fear is that someone went ahead and said "oh,
people are having trouble with network files, let's disable this
completely..."

> As it's a server, it's quite possible several of the essential
> services needed for WMP to operate the old WMC service have been
> disabled by policy. I think the default services needed are as follows
>
> Windows media player network sharing services
> SSDP Discovery Service
> Universal Plug & Play device host
> HTTP SSL service

nah, again, the media serving itself it working fine. something in NSS
is preventing it from considering network files as part of the library
(similar to what i saws in Beta 2, before i manually tweaks the user for
the NSS service)

The problem i saw in Beta 2 made sense - NSS couldn't access the network
share running as "LOCAL SYSTEM", so it would drop them from the library
(i'd actually see them disappear from WMP itself as well, as NSS was
"cleaning up" the shared library.

This was fixed when i changed the user account, so NSS can definitely
access those files now (if it wanted to). But apparently it doesn't.

(But i don't see the files disappearing from the library i see in WMP
anymore, so my guess is NSS does see the files and keeps em in the
library, but for some reason filters them out when providing the library
for sharing :()


thanx/hth,

--
marc hoffman
Chief Architect
RemObjects Software
http://www.remobjects.com

and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
turn the gold to chrome

I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).

--
Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--

"marc hoffman" <mh@spamobjects.com> wrote in message
news:euiEmvTAHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Neil,
>
> thanx for the fast reply.
>
>> Does the firmware update to the Rokus help at all ?
>> http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9710
>
> No, it didn't. I actually had been running this version until today (and
> am running the new 2.7 beta now) - no cigar. Fwiw, this affects both my
> two Soundbridges and the WMP11 on my laptop (which i just use to test).
> None of em see any network files - so it can;t really be a client-side
> problem.
>
>> Also have a look at the firewall requirements, and ensure the new WMP
>> executable has been added to WS2003 firewall exceptions :
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_7
>
> That's all fine. In fact, i can connect ok, and everything - the library
> is just empty. The same happened in Beta 2 if the NSS service could not
> access my network files; setting it to run as my local user fixed that -
> now i confirmed its still running as the right suer, but it doesn't see
> those files.
>
> (fwiw, i had to do one manual tweak back for Beta 2, the basic library
> browsing worked, but the actual steaming always failed. turned outthere
> was one port (10243) that had not been opened automatically - i fixed
> that, and all worked fine)
>
>
> Note that when i copy some files onto my *local* system, they are detected
> right away, and my devices can play them. so firewall settings for the
> basic sharing are all ok.
>
> Everything points to this being a problem with the source files on a
> network share. My guess/fear is that someone went ahead and said "oh,
> people are having trouble with network files, let's disable this
> completely..."
>
>> As it's a server, it's quite possible several of the essential
>> services needed for WMP to operate the old WMC service have been
>> disabled by policy. I think the default services needed are as follows
>>
>> Windows media player network sharing services
>> SSDP Discovery Service
>> Universal Plug & Play device host
>> HTTP SSL service
>
> nah, again, the media serving itself it working fine. something in NSS is
> preventing it from considering network files as part of the library
> (similar to what i saws in Beta 2, before i manually tweaks the user for
> the NSS service)
>
> The problem i saw in Beta 2 made sense - NSS couldn't access the network
> share running as "LOCAL SYSTEM", so it would drop them from the library
> (i'd actually see them disappear from WMP itself as well, as NSS was
> "cleaning up" the shared library.
>
> This was fixed when i changed the user account, so NSS can definitely
> access those files now (if it wanted to). But apparently it doesn't.
>
> (But i don't see the files disappearing from the library i see in WMP
> anymore, so my guess is NSS does see the files and keeps em in the
> library, but for some reason filters them out when providing the library
> for sharing :()
>
>
> thanx/hth,
>
> --
> marc hoffman
> Chief Architect
> RemObjects Software
> http://www.remobjects.com
>
> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
> turn the gold to chrome

Hi.

I have exactly the same problems than you have. I have also done almost the
same tests than you have done and found same results. There must be
something wrong in network file sharing.

After I upgraded the main PC with WMP 11 Final Rls, I can't access my
library any more with SB1001. My library is saved in network NAS box
(Synology DS-101). (I can play all tracks, if I use only PC and WMP 11).

I have also old PC in my network that is running WMP 10 and Windows media
Content 2.0. It is also using same tracks saved in Synology network
storage. If I connect SB1001 to that old PC everything is working fine.


"marc hoffman" wrote:

> Hi.
>
> in the previous WMP11 beta (Beta 2?) and in WMC2, i had no problems
> sharing media files located on my Windows 2003 Server based network
> share - all i had to do was change the NSS service to run under my local
> account, and it could access the network just fine (without that change,
> it could not access the network share, and NSS would regularly kill the
> library even for WMP itself).
>
> Since upgrading to the final of WMP last night, this no longer works -
> all my devices (two Roku Soundsbridges and one Vista WMP11) connect to
> the library but show "0 files".
>
> If i copy a few files from my library to my local machine, and add them
> to the library, those show up fine on all devices, and play - so this
> does indeed seem to be a network issue :(
>
> Is anyone seeing the same and/or has found a workaround? Has anything
> been changed in NSS between beta 2 and RTM that would prevent if from
> accessing my network - even though it's running as the same user as i'm
> logged in as?
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated...
>
> --
> marc
>

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
<zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
>that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).

Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3

Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:37:12 +0100, marc hoffman <mh@spamobjects.com>
wrote:


>No, it didn't. I actually had been running this version until today (and
>am running the new 2.7 beta now) - no cigar. Fwiw, this affects both my
>two Soundbridges and the WMP11 on my laptop (which i just use to test).
>None of em see any network files - so it can;t really be a client-side
>problem.
>Everything points to this being a problem with the source files on a
>network share. My guess/fear is that someone went ahead and said "oh,
>people are having trouble with network files, let's disable this
>completely..."


OK, well all I can say is I've got the Roku running here in a 3 way
configuration - off iTunes6 shared library, off a WMP11 shared library
and off an NLSU Samba share on a network storage location.

So I'll have to assume it's somehow possible, though I'm still waiting
for my entire WMP library to catch up (it's not got all 9000 tracks in
yet)

Does Zach's suggestion help any ?

Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

Zach, Neil,

> On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
> <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
>> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
>
> Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3

Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!

So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.

A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
enemy (iTunes ;)...

anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!

--
marc hoffman
Chief Architect
RemObjects Software
http://www.remobjects.com

and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
turn the gold to chrome

Neil, you seem to be an expert on these things.

My Roku HD1000 worked perfectly with Windows XP. In Vista and with MWP11, I
get to a point where I see all artist/album/playlist folders, but they're all
apparently empty to the Roku. No music tracks show and can be played...

Any ideas here?

BJ

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:37:12 +0100, marc hoffman <mh@spamobjects.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >No, it didn't. I actually had been running this version until today (and
> >am running the new 2.7 beta now) - no cigar. Fwiw, this affects both my
> >two Soundbridges and the WMP11 on my laptop (which i just use to test).
> >None of em see any network files - so it can;t really be a client-side
> >problem.
> >Everything points to this being a problem with the source files on a
> >network share. My guess/fear is that someone went ahead and said "oh,
> >people are having trouble with network files, let's disable this
> >completely..."
>
>
> OK, well all I can say is I've got the Roku running here in a 3 way
> configuration - off iTunes6 shared library, off a WMP11 shared library
> and off an NLSU Samba share on a network storage location.
>
> So I'll have to assume it's somehow possible, though I'm still waiting
> for my entire WMP library to catch up (it's not got all 9000 tracks in
> yet)
>
> Does Zach's suggestion help any ?
>
> Cheers - Neil
> ------------------------------------------------
> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
>

Yeah see the reply to your other message today, and see if that helps
any. Occupational hazard of using Beta software though ;-)

PS - can you still get the HD1000 ? I can't see it on Rokus site any
more...

Cheers - Neil

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:55:01 -0800, BJ <BJ@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Neil, you seem to be an expert on these things.
>
>My Roku HD1000 worked perfectly with Windows XP. In Vista and with MWP11, I
>get to a point where I see all artist/album/playlist folders, but they're all
>apparently empty to the Roku. No music tracks show and can be played...
>
>Any ideas here?
>
>BJ
>
>"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:37:12 +0100, marc hoffman <mh@spamobjects.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >No, it didn't. I actually had been running this version until today (and
>> >am running the new 2.7 beta now) - no cigar. Fwiw, this affects both my
>> >two Soundbridges and the WMP11 on my laptop (which i just use to test).
>> >None of em see any network files - so it can;t really be a client-side
>> >problem.
>> >Everything points to this being a problem with the source files on a
>> >network share. My guess/fear is that someone went ahead and said "oh,
>> >people are having trouble with network files, let's disable this
>> >completely..."
>>
>>
>> OK, well all I can say is I've got the Roku running here in a 3 way
>> configuration - off iTunes6 shared library, off a WMP11 shared library
>> and off an NLSU Samba share on a network storage location.
>>
>> So I'll have to assume it's somehow possible, though I'm still waiting
>> for my entire WMP library to catch up (it's not got all 9000 tracks in
>> yet)
>>
>> Does Zach's suggestion help any ?
>>
>> Cheers - Neil
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
>>
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2006
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

Byw, no, this is an HD1000 I purchased more than a year ago. This model has
been discontinued and can only be found occasionally on eBay...

BJ

I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still not
working.

PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library

On VISTA PC
Other local files add and run fine
Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine

The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
files fine!

Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name it
is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.

Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.

CyborgX

"marc hoffman" wrote:

> Zach, Neil,
>
> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
> >
> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
>
> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
>
> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
>
> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
> enemy (iTunes ;)...
>
> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
>
> --
> marc hoffman
> Chief Architect
> RemObjects Software
> http://www.remobjects.com
>
> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
> turn the gold to chrome
>

You have an option to buy Zune or not buy Zune. You do not have a choice
about buying WMP. Thus, the Zune product team will always be more concerned
about meeting customer demand.

Dale

"CyborgX" <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7BC1151E-9474-4952-A633-0275A7F8CAC4@microsoft.com...
>I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still
>not
> working.
>
> PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
> PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
>
> On VISTA PC
> Other local files add and run fine
> Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
>
> The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
> Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
> files fine!
>
> Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name
> it
> is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
>
> Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
>
> CyborgX
>
> "marc hoffman" wrote:
>
>> Zach, Neil,
>>
>> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
>> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
>> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
>> >
>> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
>>
>> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
>>
>> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
>> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
>>
>> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
>> enemy (iTunes ;)...
>>
>> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
>>
>> --
>> marc hoffman
>> Chief Architect
>> RemObjects Software
>> http://www.remobjects.com
>>
>> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
>> turn the gold to chrome
>>

Since I understand it uses a lot of the same underlying programs, I cannot
understand why Zune works and WMP11 doesn't.

"Dale" wrote:

> You have an option to buy Zune or not buy Zune. You do not have a choice
> about buying WMP. Thus, the Zune product team will always be more concerned
> about meeting customer demand.
>
> Dale
>
> "CyborgX" <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7BC1151E-9474-4952-A633-0275A7F8CAC4@microsoft.com...
> >I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still
> >not
> > working.
> >
> > PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
> > PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
> >
> > On VISTA PC
> > Other local files add and run fine
> > Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
> >
> > The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
> > Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
> > files fine!
> >
> > Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name
> > it
> > is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
> >
> > Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
> >
> > CyborgX
> >
> > "marc hoffman" wrote:
> >
> >> Zach, Neil,
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
> >> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
> >> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
> >> >
> >> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
> >>
> >> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
> >>
> >> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
> >> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
> >>
> >> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
> >> enemy (iTunes ;)...
> >>
> >> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
> >>
> >> --
> >> marc hoffman
> >> Chief Architect
> >> RemObjects Software
> >> http://www.remobjects.com
> >>
> >> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
> >> turn the gold to chrome
> >>
>
>

So when you go to Regedit now, what is the value for the key

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft,
MediaPlayer/Preferences/HME/EnableRemoteContentSharing

And did you definitely allow the Vista machine to access the XP files
- i.e. can you see the files in Vista's version of windows explorer ?

Cheers - Neil

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:23:01 -0800, CyborgX
<CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still not
>working.
>
>PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
>PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
>
>On VISTA PC
>Other local files add and run fine
>Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
>
>The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
>Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
>files fine!
>
>Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name it
>is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
>
>Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
>
>CyborgX
>
>"marc hoffman" wrote:
>
>> Zach, Neil,
>>
>> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
>> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
>> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
>> >
>> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
>>
>> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
>>
>> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
>> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
>>
>> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
>> enemy (iTunes ;)...
>>
>> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
>>
>> --
>> marc hoffman
>> Chief Architect
>> RemObjects Software
>> http://www.remobjects.com
>>
>> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
>> turn the gold to chrome
>>
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2007
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs