WPM11 Final - can't share files off network folders anymore? (workedin B2)

Great tip. Definitely what I would classify as a simplification over WMP
10. Now users have to edit the registry to configure WMP. Nice job,
Windows Media Player product team! Couldn't get any simpler than that.

Dale

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qeqvp25j1l4ag02csrb02gthmmpu2plsf9@4ax.com...
> So when you go to Regedit now, what is the value for the key
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft,
> MediaPlayer/Preferences/HME/EnableRemoteContentSharing
>
> And did you definitely allow the Vista machine to access the XP files
> - i.e. can you see the files in Vista's version of windows explorer ?
>
> Cheers - Neil
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:23:01 -0800, CyborgX
> <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still
>>not
>>working.
>>
>>PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
>>PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
>>
>>On VISTA PC
>>Other local files add and run fine
>>Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
>>
>>The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
>>Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
>>files fine!
>>
>>Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name
>>it
>>is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
>>
>>Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
>>
>>CyborgX
>>
>>"marc hoffman" wrote:
>>
>>> Zach, Neil,
>>>
>>> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
>>> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I
>>> >> believe
>>> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
>>> >
>>> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
>>>
>>> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
>>>
>>> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
>>> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
>>>
>>> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
>>> enemy (iTunes ;)...
>>>
>>> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
>>>
>>> --
>>> marc hoffman
>>> Chief Architect
>>> RemObjects Software
>>> http://www.remobjects.com
>>>
>>> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
>>> turn the gold to chrome
>>>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2007
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

I just read the article at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ng.mspx#q20_17.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard for sharing files! You
purchase Windows with file sharing capabilities, or even a server edition
designed for file sharing and yet you can't use those file sharing
capabilities for WMP 11? You have to either enable access to a single user
account only or enable anonymous access (a HUGE security risk!) not only to
the files but also to the server registry????

What in the world is the Windows Media Player product team thinking? What
is the real goal of blocking access to remote libraries? Another means of
DRM? Are they saying I can't have all my media on one PC and access that
library from wherever in the house I may be working? That's an absolutely
absurd interpretation and enforcement.

I am becoming of the opinion that the Windows Media Player product team
didn't consider users at all in the design of WMP 11. They didn't build it
for users; they built it for DRM.

Dale

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qeqvp25j1l4ag02csrb02gthmmpu2plsf9@4ax.com...
> So when you go to Regedit now, what is the value for the key
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft,
> MediaPlayer/Preferences/HME/EnableRemoteContentSharing
>
> And did you definitely allow the Vista machine to access the XP files
> - i.e. can you see the files in Vista's version of windows explorer ?
>
> Cheers - Neil
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:23:01 -0800, CyborgX
> <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still
>>not
>>working.
>>
>>PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
>>PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
>>
>>On VISTA PC
>>Other local files add and run fine
>>Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
>>
>>The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
>>Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
>>files fine!
>>
>>Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name
>>it
>>is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
>>
>>Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
>>
>>CyborgX
>>
>>"marc hoffman" wrote:
>>
>>> Zach, Neil,
>>>
>>> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
>>> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I
>>> >> believe
>>> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
>>> >
>>> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
>>>
>>> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
>>>
>>> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
>>> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
>>>
>>> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
>>> enemy (iTunes ;)...
>>>
>>> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
>>>
>>> --
>>> marc hoffman
>>> Chief Architect
>>> RemObjects Software
>>> http://www.remobjects.com
>>>
>>> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
>>> turn the gold to chrome
>>>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2007
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

I take it back. Adding the EnableRemoteContentSharing=1 registry key does fix
the problem, but the link given above is worded wrong and tells you to add
the key on the "computer that contains the library being shared". Here is the
full extract:-

"You can enable remote content sharing by performing the following procedure
on the computer that contains the library you are sharing"

Even though it made no sense I tried it on the SOURCE computer (thought it
might be using some strange protocol that got enabled), but obviously it made
no difference.

I would suggest that the Microsoft webpage be amended to read correctly
otherwise a lot of people are going to go throught this headache.

"cyborgx" wrote:

> Since I understand it uses a lot of the same underlying programs, I cannot
> understand why Zune works and WMP11 doesn't.
>
> "Dale" wrote:
>
> > You have an option to buy Zune or not buy Zune. You do not have a choice
> > about buying WMP. Thus, the Zune product team will always be more concerned
> > about meeting customer demand.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > "CyborgX" <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:7BC1151E-9474-4952-A633-0275A7F8CAC4@microsoft.com...
> > >I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still
> > >not
> > > working.
> > >
> > > PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
> > > PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
> > >
> > > On VISTA PC
> > > Other local files add and run fine
> > > Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
> > >
> > > The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
> > > Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
> > > files fine!
> > >
> > > Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name
> > > it
> > > is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
> > >
> > > Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
> > >
> > > CyborgX
> > >
> > > "marc hoffman" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Zach, Neil,
> > >>
> > >> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
> > >> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
> > >> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
> > >> >
> > >> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
> > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
> > >>
> > >> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
> > >>
> > >> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
> > >> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
> > >>
> > >> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
> > >> enemy (iTunes ;)...
> > >>
> > >> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> marc hoffman
> > >> Chief Architect
> > >> RemObjects Software
> > >> http://www.remobjects.com
> > >>
> > >> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
> > >> turn the gold to chrome
> > >>
> >
> >

Thanks for the help Neil, much appreciated.

After further testing, it turns out that the EnableRemoteContentSharing key
is totally irrelevant and unecessary, and I suspect it only relates to
HOSTING a shared media library, not USING a remote library shared by another
computer.

I have found that if I use F3 immediate after opening WMP11 the search works
fine, but any subsequent uses of F3 or the MENU/TOOLS/OPTIONS/MONITOR FOLDERS
route do not actually search the folders! Closing WMP11 and reopening, the
search works again. Defintely looks like a BUG to me, and it's taken me hours
to find it.

I also have a couple of other problems so here's the list in case you have a
quick answer:-

1) Still need the Search problem above sorted
2) I cannot add or play MOV, MP4, M4v. The codecs are on the PC, and Zune
plays them .... This seems to be a problem only with running on Vista, since
WMP11 on XP works OK
3) I have no FILE TYPES tab running under Vista

Zune just does not have the functionality of WMP11 otherwise I'd just use
that.

Hope you have some easy solutions.


"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote:

> So when you go to Regedit now, what is the value for the key
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft,
> MediaPlayer/Preferences/HME/EnableRemoteContentSharing
>
> And did you definitely allow the Vista machine to access the XP files
> - i.e. can you see the files in Vista's version of windows explorer ?
>
> Cheers - Neil
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:23:01 -0800, CyborgX
> <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still not
> >working.
> >
> >PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
> >PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
> >
> >On VISTA PC
> >Other local files add and run fine
> >Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
> >
> >The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
> >Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
> >files fine!
> >
> >Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name it
> >is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
> >
> >Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
> >
> >CyborgX
> >
> >"marc hoffman" wrote:
> >
> >> Zach, Neil,
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
> >> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
> >> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
> >> >
> >> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
> >>
> >> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
> >>
> >> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
> >> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
> >>
> >> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
> >> enemy (iTunes ;)...
> >>
> >> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
> >>
> >> --
> >> marc hoffman
> >> Chief Architect
> >> RemObjects Software
> >> http://www.remobjects.com
> >>
> >> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
> >> turn the gold to chrome
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2007
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs
>

Thanks for the help Neil, much appreciated.

After further testing, it turns out that the EnableRemoteContentSharing key
is totally irrelevant and unecessary, and I suspect it only relates to
HOSTING a shared media library, not USING a remote library shared by another
computer.

I have found that if I use F3 immediate after opening WMP11 the search works
fine, but any subsequent uses of F3 or the MENU/TOOLS/OPTIONS/MONITOR FOLDERS
route do not actually search the folders! Closing WMP11 and reopening, the
search works again. Defintely looks like a BUG to me, and it's taken me hours
to find it.

I also have a couple of other problems so here's the list in case you have a
quick answer:-

1) Still need the Search problem above sorted
2) I cannot add or play MOV, MP4, M4v. The codecs are on the PC, and Zune
plays them .... This seems to be a problem only with running on Vista, since
WMP11 on XP works OK
3) I have no FILE TYPES tab running under Vista

Zune just does not have the functionality of WMP11 otherwise I'd just use
that.

Hope you have some easy solutions.

Thanks for the help Neil, much appreciated.

After further testing, it turns out that the EnableRemoteContentSharing key
is totally irrelevant and unecessary, and I suspect it only relates to
HOSTING a shared media library, not USING a remote library shared by another
computer.

I have found that if I use F3 immediate after opening WMP11 the search works
fine, but any subsequent uses of F3 or the MENU/TOOLS/OPTIONS/MONITOR FOLDERS
route do not actually search the folders! Closing WMP11 and reopening, the
search works again. Defintely looks like a BUG to me, and it's taken me hours
to find it.

I also have a couple of other problems so here's the list in case you have a
quick answer:-

1) Still need the Search problem above sorted
2) I cannot add or play MOV, MP4, M4v. The codecs are on the PC, and Zune
plays them .... This seems to be a problem only with running on Vista, since
WMP11 on XP works OK
3) I have no FILE TYPES tab running under Vista

Zune just does not have the functionality of WMP11 otherwise I'd just use
that.

Hope you have some easy solutions.

XP doesn't have the underlying networking support to properly/fully handle
sharing PC-to-PC. Vista does. So if you go the other way, it'll work
great.

Sorry - it wasn't really possible to update XP's networking layer here to
fix this. =\

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--
"CyborgX" <CyborgX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7BC1151E-9474-4952-A633-0275A7F8CAC4@microsoft.com...
>I have a very similar problem, tried everything suggested here but still
>not
> working.
>
> PC with Shared XP folder containing media files (has WMP11)
> PROBLEM - Vista running WMP11 will not add them to it library
>
> On VISTA PC
> Other local files add and run fine
> Media files from shared folder copied to local drive add and run fine
>
> The best statement to hopefully isolate the problem is:-
> Zune running on same Vista PC finds, adds and the runs the shared media
> files fine!
>
> Also when WMP11 does the "search" it never actually shows the folder name
> it
> is searching when it is supposedly doing the search.
>
> Hope someone can help find why Zune does it fine and WMP11 doesn't.
>
> CyborgX
>
> "marc hoffman" wrote:
>
>> Zach, Neil,
>>
>> > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:16:33 -0800, "zachd [ms]"
>> > <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I believe you'd want to look up EnableRemoteContentSharing - I believe
>> >> that's covered in the Microsoft FAQ (?).
>> >
>> > Ya, it's listed on this page under "What can I share?"
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ing.mspx#q20_3
>>
>> Yup, that did indeed do the trick, thanx!
>>
>> So i guess i was right in that this has bee consciously disabled (at
>> least by default) between Beta 2 and RTM.
>>
>> A shame this cost me half a day of fiddling around and installing the
>> enemy (iTunes ;)...
>>
>> anyways, thanks a lot for the quick help!
>>
>> --
>> marc hoffman
>> Chief Architect
>> RemObjects Software
>> http://www.remobjects.com
>>
>> and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
>> turn the gold to chrome
>>

This whole scenario sucks. There's a reason why it was ran away from. You
can turn it on via a doc note because it is tough and it's not going to work
100% due to all sorts of cute issues that just aren't really solvable within
any limited timeframe. You need to focus on what works: this is an area
fraught with problems/peril. WMP does not need a Share My Media switch that
randomly changes file sharing privileges on a remote share, and the other
options are equally painful.

It's got nothing to do with DRM. In case it isn't clear, nobody really
likes DRM. It has a purpose in life, but ... *shrug* It's just kind of a
necessary evil until that magic point at which there's some global licensing
solution and no piracy. Bill Gates spoke on that pretty recently, though,
so ... refer to those comments, I guess. It sucks. Let's move on. =)

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

While I dislike DRM, I also have posted that there would be no DRM had
billions of copyrighted songs not been downloaded without paying for them.
I believe it is the right of copyright owners to protect their property.
Neither the music industry or Microsoft pushed DRM before that. My problem
isn't with DRM, it's with the piss-poor reliability of non-DRM features
because of the effort put into DRM, and the piss-poor reliability of DRM
costing honest customers money when they can't use their files. Though I do
wish the US Federal Government would force an open standard for DRM so that
no single provider of media can dominate the market.

That said, I have a Windows 2003 server that my wife rips all our CDs at
(using iTunes). My Media Center 2005 PC points to the server for all of its
media and I don't have any problem with that at all. So how come, suddenly,
WMP 11 can't add music from a network path to the library? This is not a
technical issue so it must be a marketing issue.

Dale

"zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23uRPA1qNHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> This whole scenario sucks. There's a reason why it was ran away from.
> You can turn it on via a doc note because it is tough and it's not going
> to work 100% due to all sorts of cute issues that just aren't really
> solvable within any limited timeframe. You need to focus on what works:
> this is an area fraught with problems/peril. WMP does not need a Share My
> Media switch that randomly changes file sharing privileges on a remote
> share, and the other options are equally painful.
>
> It's got nothing to do with DRM. In case it isn't clear, nobody really
> likes DRM. It has a purpose in life, but ... *shrug* It's just kind of a
> necessary evil until that magic point at which there's some global
> licensing solution and no piracy. Bill Gates spoke on that pretty
> recently, though, so ... refer to those comments, I guess. It sucks.
> Let's move on. =)
>
> -Zach
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>

Could you clarify a potential alternate wording here that might help
establish further clarity... ?

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--
"cyborgx" <cyborgx@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0EE45687-5283-4D2B-AC22-BB609F362C26@microsoft.com...
>I take it back. Adding the EnableRemoteContentSharing=1 registry key does
>fix
> the problem, but the link given above is worded wrong and tells you to add
> the key on the "computer that contains the library being shared". Here is
> the
> full extract:-
>
> "You can enable remote content sharing by performing the following
> procedure
> on the computer that contains the library you are sharing"
>
> Even though it made no sense I tried it on the SOURCE computer (thought it
> might be using some strange protocol that got enabled), but obviously it
> made
> no difference.
>
> I would suggest that the Microsoft webpage be amended to read correctly
> otherwise a lot of people are going to go throught this headache.