double-click to "add to now playing list"

Yes, but how about for WMP 11 ? I'm very disappointed that the option was
omitted from the latest version.

Currently, double-clicking on an item in the library causes the player to
play the entire contents. I'm bewildered as to the logic behind this--if you
double-click on a song, it means you want to play that song, not everything.

The default action should be changed.

I cannot imagine what person would want to add their entire library to their
playlist in order to listen to one song. I understand that according to the
help section that in order to listen to one song in particular or add it to
your playlist you must either right click or DRAG it over, which is quite a
hassle. You'd think that in a world where everything is supposed to be easier
that they would have tried to give us more options. If it's something that
has been working in the previous versions, I simply can't understand why they
would remove such a simple yet resourcesfull option; alas, they did. For
future reference microsoft; we want our options back.

What's your usage pattern here?

I can tell you that you never ever want to talk to people who actually study
usage patterns: it's just crazy how different you and I are than the average
person. =\

Anyways: what's the usage pattern? You click a file, play it, want it to
stop: what next? It would seem that you're having to interact with the
player every 3 minutes to reset what you want it doing, which is more
demanding of an experience for most people than letting the tunes roll and
in turn letting people like you and me build our own little playlists.

-Zach

I often go straight to my Library when I start WPM11 and look for a song or
album that i want to play. I usually double-click on a song that i want to
listen to and then get annoyed when i realise that i've just cued my entire
library. If i'm clever eough to remember this detestable characteristic of
WMP11, then I will (instead) add individual songs to my now playing list by
holding down the shift key and clicking on the song titles in WMP11 Library,
while wishing that there was a simpler way to do this.

I know that a friend of mine doesn't use the WMP11's Library at all to
browse songs: instead she opens the directory containing the files in
Explorer and double clicks on the song hat she wants to listen to. The menu
shell actions in Explorer (e.g. "Add to now playing list") are actually
easier to use than the corresponding actions in WMP11 interface.

Like Fai said, "we want our options back." I.e stop trying to guess what
people want and let individuals control their own experience.

Al.

"AL" <AL@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C31E8216-955F-49E0-8BF6-82D01EA4622E@microsoft.com...
>I often go straight to my Library when I start WPM11 and look for a song or
> album that i want to play. I usually double-click on a song that i want
> to
> listen to and then get annoyed when i realise that i've just cued my
> entire
> library. If i'm clever eough to remember this detestable characteristic
> of
> WMP11, then I will (instead) add individual songs to my now playing list
> by
> holding down the shift key and clicking on the song titles in WMP11
> Library,
> while wishing that there was a simpler way to do this.

Making the huge majority cases work better / more cleanly in return for one
more click here and there for the non-standard usage cases needs to be an
acceptable if hopefully temporary loss. You want some sort of "one more
check box" extensibility - that's yet another method of complication that
helps overwhelm the basic user that comprises such a huge chunk of the
people that will be looking at Vista / WMP11.

Anyways, I don't think there's any more technical information I can add
here, so I'll bow out of the conversation now. I'm with you here, but a)
it's not my call and b) the best you'd even want to offer would be some
TweakMP-ish feature here, and it was really too late in the product cycle to
do that.

What I'd do if I were you would be to make a list of the minor tweaks here
and there and post them to the relevant feedback forums (this may still be
one of the best...?) in about four months or so. (Since that gives Vista
time to settle some.)

Cheers,
-Zach
--
Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Zach - Is there any real compelling reason that this was left out of of
WMP11? Every post that I've come across so far related to this seems to
avoid the issue like the plauge. There are plenty of users out there that
want control of the double-click action back! I know that I, for example,
want to set double-click in the library to add the current selected song to
the currently playing list, not queue that entire album up IN PLACE of what I
was listening to...

Paul

It's not left out of WMP11, and you keep confusing me about that. =) To
quote myself from my last post:

Get TweakMP from http://wmplugins.com . Use that to change WMP's default
option for
double-click.

Yes, I know it says it's for v9.

I swear upon my grandfather's grave that this works. I keep retesting this
because people aren't listening and saying "it's not possible", and thus I
accidentally leave myself in this state and it's getting fairly annoying.
So... please, please, just try this and enjoy it. I promise it's there and
works. =) *I* don't want to use it, so please don't have me configure it
that way again for the sixth time. =)

-Zach

Zach -

I appreciate your patience, but I've downloaded TweakMP and tried all the
settings in there, including restarting WMP and it doesn't seem to have any
effect on the double-click action. Still when I double-click a track in the
library the player instantly queues to that track and plays begins playing
it, and if I double-click more than one in a row my "Now playing" list gets
into a funky state.

I didn't see a way to "save" the preferences in the TweakMP UI. Am I
missing a step?

Thanks,
Paul

It auto-saves preferences on exit.

I apologize: the various ninety-five postings on this general subject (five
by you within some span of time, grin) had me misreading the exact context
*here*.

The "add only item to now playing queue" via shift-double-click or "only
play item x" via double-click is possible. The "double-click-queues-only"
isn't possible except via shift-double-click and I don't believe there's any
way around that. The only possible method for redress at this point is to
take it to product support, and even then you're likely going to need to
wait for a full version update before the team gets a chance to address
"power user" wants.

I keep configuring my system to do the annoying-to-me play-one-track
setting, which the OTHER contingent wanted, and that got distorted with YOUR
contingent of peoples, who want queue-only-with-no-shift-or-etc. As far as
I know, that's dead in the water at this point.

-Zach

Zach -

Fair enough. That's at least an answer with some finality. Can you direct
me where to take this to product support/management as a feature request for
future updates then? I'm somewhat naive in what the "official" path for this
type of feedback really should be.

Thanks,
Paul

Zach -

Fair enough. Now that we're on the same page and both understand what I was
looking for, that is at least an answer with some finality to it. Can you
direct me where I should formally submit this as a feature request to the WMP
product team? I am admittidly naive in what the appropriate "formal" path
for this type of feedback should be.

Thanks in advance,
Paul

http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#psssupport
has what I know as far as official support paths. If you email me at zachd
@ ""mycompany"" dot com I'll give you the ID # for a free support call. It
likely won't do anything other than just log one instance of someone
requesting the feature, but it'll be a guaranteed way to get that to someone
in support for free.

Some offer to Ryan, really.

zachd [MSFT] wrote:
> It's not left out of WMP11, and you keep confusing me about that. =) To
> quote myself from my last post:
>
> Get TweakMP from http://wmplugins.com . Use that to change WMP's default
> option for
> double-click.
>
> Yes, I know it says it's for v9.
>
Cool, thanks. Worked for me. However, I know I know there's a
gazillion posts on this probably, but, why in the heck did I need to
download a plugin just to get the double-click to work. No need to
respond, I just needed to vent. :)

Try add this registry value

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Preferences]
"LibraryDoubleClickQueueV11"=dword:00000001

Worked for me - Turgoo

[RevinFreddy]

WMP 11 has one glaring BUG, which the author of this thread has articulated quite clearly. The fact that the whole library is added to the Now Playing List when a library item is double clicked violates the standard Windows Practice which has been standard for ALL Windows applications.

Show me one other Windows program that acts in this manner. I have been programming Windows applications for years, and I have yet to see such a deviation from this standard practice. It is not a matter of weighing different user or usability pros and cons. This issue demonstrates a total disregard for the Patterns and Practices set forth by Microsoft for Windows Lists.

Whenever you have a two list system in which you select an item from one list to add to a target list, the standard Windows practice, learned by every Windows user, is to either
A. Select the item from List A and click an Add button, or Double-Click the item that you want to add, and that item is added to the target list.

There is no logic to the current behavior of this Library. What is the point of choosing an item, if it doesn't matter what item you choose? This is the most frustrating BUG I've seen in any Windows application. I can't believe that this BUG has made it through to BETA.

For Zach to indicate that this issue is dead in the water, or to refer to such a abandonment of such standard Wisndows behavior as a "Feature" is incomprehensible. Should I expect similar abandonment in all future Microsoft applications? Should I expect that when I double click a program icon, every program on my computer will run? This is insane!