Domain Controller power up sequence and virtualization?

Hi,

I am planning to virtualize a domain controller (on windows 2003). This will
run on VS 2005 RC2.

On a windows network, isn't a domain controller supposed to be the first
thing to be powered up?

In case this, the scenario kind of plays like a member server comes up
first, and then the virtual server (DC) comes online.

What do you think?

Hello biren,

The domain controller and DNS server has to be up and running for all domain
users to logon. You should not make the host server domain member of the
hosted DC.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Hi,
>
> I am planning to virtualize a domain controller (on windows 2003).
> This will run on VS 2005 RC2.
>
> On a windows network, isn't a domain controller supposed to be the
> first thing to be powered up?
>
> In case this, the scenario kind of plays like a member server comes up
> first, and then the virtual server (DC) comes online.
>
> What do you think?
>

Hi
> On a windows network, isn't a domain controller supposed to be the first
> thing to be powered up?

Not necessarily, but a DC should be online to provide the required services
that network clients request. Eg: Logons, GPOs, etc...

> In case this, the scenario kind of plays like a member server comes up
> first, and then the virtual server (DC) comes online

If you're using cached credentials you should be able to logon, if not the
logon will fail because you don't have a DC to validate that account, if you
use a local account you should logon without problems.

> What do you think?
I think that you should go to Hyper-v...


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Jorge Silva
MVP Directory Services
"biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:57EBB662-53C7-41FE-A860-23EAFB837A32@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am planning to virtualize a domain controller (on windows 2003). This
> will
> run on VS 2005 RC2.
>
> On a windows network, isn't a domain controller supposed to be the first
> thing to be powered up?
>
> In case this, the scenario kind of plays like a member server comes up
> first, and then the virtual server (DC) comes online.
>
> What do you think?

Thanks to Meinolf and Jorge for your input.

I was thinking of either VMWare Esx4i or even better, Hyper-V.

So, would the Hyper V host server be a member of the domain?

Hi
If you go to Hyper-V and you plan to have that server on AD domain, you
should plan to have a DC separate from that Virtual environment, or you may
end up with permission issues on the files depending on how you set them up.

If you plan to have a free solution I would go to the new Hyper-V Server R2
over the ESXi 4. The R2 has match more arguments than ESXi 4 and they're
FREE in Hyper-V Server
(http://blogs.technet.com/virtualizat...rtm-more.aspx).

Before planning free solutions, you should know that NOT always the free is
the best option. Have look at 2008 and R2 Enterprise and Datacenter editions
that have additional Licenses to use on VMs for free. Enterprise gives you 4
additional Lic. and datacenter gives you unlimited lic. for running VMs.


--
I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.

This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
confers no rights.

Jorge Silva
MVP Directory Services
"biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E70F5057-2C3C-4316-B3DE-23B8FE472645@microsoft.com...
> Thanks to Meinolf and Jorge for your input.
>
> I was thinking of either VMWare Esx4i or even better, Hyper-V.
>
> So, would the Hyper V host server be a member of the domain?
>
>

Thanks. I will check out your suggestions.

In terms of infrastructure setup, what do you mean by having a DC separate
from the vitual server?

I was planning to have a virtual DC (win2k3), while maybe the host could be
used to for sql server or Home drives (storage).

what do you think?

Thanks

"Jorge Silva" wrote:

> Hi
> If you go to Hyper-V and you plan to have that server on AD domain, you
> should plan to have a DC separate from that Virtual environment, or you may
> end up with permission issues on the files depending on how you set them up.
>
> If you plan to have a free solution I would go to the new Hyper-V Server R2
> over the ESXi 4. The R2 has match more arguments than ESXi 4 and they're
> FREE in Hyper-V Server
> (http://blogs.technet.com/virtualizat...rtm-more.aspx).
>
> Before planning free solutions, you should know that NOT always the free is
> the best option. Have look at 2008 and R2 Enterprise and Datacenter editions
> that have additional Licenses to use on VMs for free. Enterprise gives you 4
> additional Lic. and datacenter gives you unlimited lic. for running VMs.
>
>
> --
> I hope that the information above helps you.
> Have a Nice day.
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Jorge Silva
> MVP Directory Services
> "biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E70F5057-2C3C-4316-B3DE-23B8FE472645@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks to Meinolf and Jorge for your input.
> >
> > I was thinking of either VMWare Esx4i or even better, Hyper-V.
> >
> > So, would the Hyper V host server be a member of the domain?
> >
> >
>

If you plan to virtualize the DC and also make the physical host member of
that domain you may have problems with those VMs if you setup their security
with domain accounts. So if you plan to vitualize your DC don't make the
physical host member of that domain unless you use local accounts to run
those machines. Planning to have SQL on the physical host is also not a good
idea, the physical host should be dedicated to virtualization without any
other roles on it. If you need to virtualize a SQL server you may create a
VM for that also read this
(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...-d23bf0d7f44d).


--
I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.

This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
confers no rights.

Jorge Silva
MVP Directory Services
"biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B705DF92-3689-4FBF-99A9-245FEB4E794B@microsoft.com...
> Thanks. I will check out your suggestions.
>
> In terms of infrastructure setup, what do you mean by having a DC separate
> from the vitual server?
>
> I was planning to have a virtual DC (win2k3), while maybe the host could
> be
> used to for sql server or Home drives (storage).
>
> what do you think?
>
> Thanks
>
> "Jorge Silva" wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> If you go to Hyper-V and you plan to have that server on AD domain, you
>> should plan to have a DC separate from that Virtual environment, or you
>> may
>> end up with permission issues on the files depending on how you set them
>> up.
>>
>> If you plan to have a free solution I would go to the new Hyper-V Server
>> R2
>> over the ESXi 4. The R2 has match more arguments than ESXi 4 and they're
>> FREE in Hyper-V Server
>> (http://blogs.technet.com/virtualizat...rtm-more.aspx).
>>
>> Before planning free solutions, you should know that NOT always the free
>> is
>> the best option. Have look at 2008 and R2 Enterprise and Datacenter
>> editions
>> that have additional Licenses to use on VMs for free. Enterprise gives
>> you 4
>> additional Lic. and datacenter gives you unlimited lic. for running VMs.
>>
>>
>> --
>> I hope that the information above helps you.
>> Have a Nice day.
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> confers no rights.
>>
>> Jorge Silva
>> MVP Directory Services
>> "biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E70F5057-2C3C-4316-B3DE-23B8FE472645@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks to Meinolf and Jorge for your input.
>> >
>> > I was thinking of either VMWare Esx4i or even better, Hyper-V.
>> >
>> > So, would the Hyper V host server be a member of the domain?
>> >
>> >
>>

Very cool.

It makes sense. Thanks for all great work.

"Jorge Silva" wrote:

> If you plan to virtualize the DC and also make the physical host member of
> that domain you may have problems with those VMs if you setup their security
> with domain accounts. So if you plan to vitualize your DC don't make the
> physical host member of that domain unless you use local accounts to run
> those machines. Planning to have SQL on the physical host is also not a good
> idea, the physical host should be dedicated to virtualization without any
> other roles on it. If you need to virtualize a SQL server you may create a
> VM for that also read this
> (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...-d23bf0d7f44d).
>
>
> --
> I hope that the information above helps you.
> Have a Nice day.
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Jorge Silva
> MVP Directory Services
> "biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B705DF92-3689-4FBF-99A9-245FEB4E794B@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks. I will check out your suggestions.
> >
> > In terms of infrastructure setup, what do you mean by having a DC separate
> > from the vitual server?
> >
> > I was planning to have a virtual DC (win2k3), while maybe the host could
> > be
> > used to for sql server or Home drives (storage).
> >
> > what do you think?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Jorge Silva" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >> If you go to Hyper-V and you plan to have that server on AD domain, you
> >> should plan to have a DC separate from that Virtual environment, or you
> >> may
> >> end up with permission issues on the files depending on how you set them
> >> up.
> >>
> >> If you plan to have a free solution I would go to the new Hyper-V Server
> >> R2
> >> over the ESXi 4. The R2 has match more arguments than ESXi 4 and they're
> >> FREE in Hyper-V Server
> >> (http://blogs.technet.com/virtualizat...rtm-more.aspx).
> >>
> >> Before planning free solutions, you should know that NOT always the free
> >> is
> >> the best option. Have look at 2008 and R2 Enterprise and Datacenter
> >> editions
> >> that have additional Licenses to use on VMs for free. Enterprise gives
> >> you 4
> >> additional Lic. and datacenter gives you unlimited lic. for running VMs.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> I hope that the information above helps you.
> >> Have a Nice day.
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> >> confers no rights.
> >>
> >> Jorge Silva
> >> MVP Directory Services
> >> "biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:E70F5057-2C3C-4316-B3DE-23B8FE472645@microsoft.com...
> >> > Thanks to Meinolf and Jorge for your input.
> >> >
> >> > I was thinking of either VMWare Esx4i or even better, Hyper-V.
> >> >
> >> > So, would the Hyper V host server be a member of the domain?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
>

You're welcome.

--
I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.

This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
confers no rights.

Jorge Silva
MVP Directory Services
"biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D4F385D8-1513-4981-852B-41F7B3EFC992@microsoft.com...
> Very cool.
>
> It makes sense. Thanks for all great work.
>
> "Jorge Silva" wrote:
>
>> If you plan to virtualize the DC and also make the physical host member
>> of
>> that domain you may have problems with those VMs if you setup their
>> security
>> with domain accounts. So if you plan to vitualize your DC don't make the
>> physical host member of that domain unless you use local accounts to run
>> those machines. Planning to have SQL on the physical host is also not a
>> good
>> idea, the physical host should be dedicated to virtualization without any
>> other roles on it. If you need to virtualize a SQL server you may create
>> a
>> VM for that also read this
>> (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...-d23bf0d7f44d).
>>
>>
>> --
>> I hope that the information above helps you.
>> Have a Nice day.
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> confers no rights.
>>
>> Jorge Silva
>> MVP Directory Services
>> "biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B705DF92-3689-4FBF-99A9-245FEB4E794B@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks. I will check out your suggestions.
>> >
>> > In terms of infrastructure setup, what do you mean by having a DC
>> > separate
>> > from the vitual server?
>> >
>> > I was planning to have a virtual DC (win2k3), while maybe the host
>> > could
>> > be
>> > used to for sql server or Home drives (storage).
>> >
>> > what do you think?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > "Jorge Silva" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi
>> >> If you go to Hyper-V and you plan to have that server on AD domain,
>> >> you
>> >> should plan to have a DC separate from that Virtual environment, or
>> >> you
>> >> may
>> >> end up with permission issues on the files depending on how you set
>> >> them
>> >> up.
>> >>
>> >> If you plan to have a free solution I would go to the new Hyper-V
>> >> Server
>> >> R2
>> >> over the ESXi 4. The R2 has match more arguments than ESXi 4 and
>> >> they're
>> >> FREE in Hyper-V Server
>> >> (http://blogs.technet.com/virtualizat...rtm-more.aspx).
>> >>
>> >> Before planning free solutions, you should know that NOT always the
>> >> free
>> >> is
>> >> the best option. Have look at 2008 and R2 Enterprise and Datacenter
>> >> editions
>> >> that have additional Licenses to use on VMs for free. Enterprise gives
>> >> you 4
>> >> additional Lic. and datacenter gives you unlimited lic. for running
>> >> VMs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> I hope that the information above helps you.
>> >> Have a Nice day.
>> >>
>> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> >> confers no rights.
>> >>
>> >> Jorge Silva
>> >> MVP Directory Services
>> >> "biren" <biren@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:E70F5057-2C3C-4316-B3DE-23B8FE472645@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Thanks to Meinolf and Jorge for your input.
>> >> >
>> >> > I was thinking of either VMWare Esx4i or even better, Hyper-V.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, would the Hyper V host server be a member of the domain?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>